Yantelope

People refuse to learn the imperial system too... how many quarts are in a gallon?

NES: two controllers, one game: $130 1986 SNES: two controllers, one game: $200 1991 N64: two controllers, one game $290 1996 GC: two controllers, one game one memory card $330 2001 Wii: two controllers, one game $310 2006 PS1: one controller one memory card: $330 1995 PS2: one controller one memory card: $330 2000 PS3: one controller with HDD: $500 2006 Xbox: one controller and HDD $300 2001 Xbox 360: one controller and HDD $400 2005 This is more a more fair linear progression of like costs of investment than master dex's post IMO. If someone wants to inflation adjust this that'd be fine by me.

1&3. But masterdex and every other argument about cost going down have been based on MSRPs so nothing was resolved by MasterDex's post. I've poked about 10 holes in it. 2. Saying that a console based on 5 year old hardware and another based on current tech are in the same "generation" because they went on sale at the same time is silly and makes the term "generation" arbitrary. 4. PS4 is delayed in the sense that the standard console cycle has been broken for the first time in 5 generations.

No, the Vita is not amazingly priced. The iPhone is overpriced. and to have "on-par guts" you have to compare the 3G version of the Vita which is $300. And I guess you also need to compare the iPhone 4S that comes with rear touchpad, dual analogs, expandable memory. But oh wait their isn't one. The Vita is also launching the same price as the 3DS, of which the guts don't match at all. You're currently the only person to think it's price isn't amazing, especially compared to what's on the market and what the expected price was. Anyway since you're still struggling with my hints here it is in Admin red for that more distinctive tone required: This is the PS4 thread. Your next post will be about the PS4. Not the Vita, Not the iPhone. The PS4. Want to talk Vita? There's a Vita thread. Comprende? Arguing with you guys is like trying to lead a horse to water. You chase down different roads trying to say I'm wrong and when I respond I'm "off topic". I already pointed back to the part of why I brought up the Vita in the first place but nobody wants to address so many of the issues I bring up. Let me restate them. MSRP is not equal to cost Not all consoles are equal so comparing them strictly by an arbitrary "generation" title is still arbitrary. Cost of graphics are going up. PS4 got delayed probably due to the costs of hardware. Same for Xbox. Anyone want to respond to any of this? No you just want to chase rabbits rather than ever admit you're wrong about anything. Sigh.....

Right, which is why Sony wouldn't be getting much profit off of their Vita but $650 off an iPhone 4GS would be profitable. Profit for Sony comes from a $100 required memory card. Dean, You said: No, the Vita is not amazingly priced. The iPhone is overpriced. and to have "on-par guts" you have to compare the 3G version of the Vita which is $300.

So much this.

Sorry, added that bit in so you might not have seen it. "Component costs for Apple's entry-level iPhones have typically come in between $170 and $190, offering the company a hefty margin when the $199 purchase price and extensive carrier subsidies are accounted for."

Why? Unless you're going to find me an iPhone that is priced with a ~5 year mobile subscription built in too. btw your first article is from 4 years ago. It's still worth repeating (for third time now?) that the iPod touch is a crappy version of an iPhone 4, a near 2 year old piece of tech supported by sales in the tens of millions. Even the iPhone 4S, only just launched, still lags behind the Vita in hardware. Also why we now talking Vita? Is it so hard to stay on topic? But the current article from yesterday on the 4GS doesn't matter to you? Brought up Vita to talk about how MSRP's aren't always a great indication of true cost of adoption:

Oh, right, sorry, yeah, not everyone will be skewed. Agreed.

http://www.businessw...1217_113525.htm cost isn't drastically different from components in the touch. Manufacturing costs should be similar too. 4S here: http://www.macrumors...n-at-about-188/ Oh, and if you want to compare a Vita to an iPhone then you have to compare the $300 3G model.

I think I agree with your opinion about the game: I didn't care much for GTAIV, myself. But Johnny above me here loved it. I can accept that my opinion simply differs, and reviewers didn't feel beholden to rate a name rather than a game. Think about it: there are 86 reviews listed on MC for the 360 version of GTAIV. You're suggesting that not one reviewer amongst them was bold enough to break out of the massive conspiracy to rate GTA games highly and give it the 7 or 7.5 it deserved. The lowest score is an 80. That suggests, to me, that I'm just in the minority in my opinion, and others found a lot to love. I'm okay with that. (we're going down another thread here, probably more apt to put this in metacritic). Dan Hsu (Shoe) wrote a nice long article about all the dirty things that go on with review scores so yeah, I do think some people would be scared to give a game less than an 80. I'd link to it if I could find it.

That's not true. The cost is actually quite high for smartphones to be manufactured. Unless you have some source on that I'm not aware of? http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/02/10/apples_cdma_iphone_4_components_cost_171_16_cheaper_than_gsm_phone.html

Eh what? The Vita is amazingly priced. iPhone 4S, which has on-par guts, retails for $650 and the Vita will only be $250. Well, iPhones retailing at $650 is kind of hard to call a true price point since it's priced high to pressure you to buy a cellphone contract. Maybe it'd be easier to compare to an iPod Touch which starts at $200 with 8GB of storage built in. Clearly Sony decided to pick $250 as their price point, which is a good one, and they probably cut internal storage and went with memory cards as a way to pretend like they're hitting that price point. The fact is you need a memory card and it's going to cost you as much as $150. To me the cost of a Vita is $350 because I'd want 16GB of storage. It's all about wrangling numbers because the only number people want to compare is the MSRP of the console itself, not the total cost of initial investment to consumers. Also, you're right, Sony's investment in Blu-ray makes it likely that PS4 will still have a disc drive. Microsoft probably will not want to license Blu-ray and will probably go DD. This: http://www.joystiq.com/2011/10/21/report-these-are-the-vita-games-that-require-a-memory-card/

@P4, I think GTA IV is a prime example of a game getting reviews far better than it should have because reviewers were rating the name more than the game.

Yeah, it just seems like reviewers are afraid to give the big franchises bad scores at the risk of alienating the fanbase.