Saturnine Tenshi Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Reveal hidden contents I also died my fair share of times on the banshee-siren. And TBH I just started skipping most of the theory chin-waggery after I'd said my part because there's an obvious chasm in interpretation there. I probably ended up using Possession the most. Juggling that and crows. Though the tentacle monster vigor proved incredibly useful for the final romp through Comstock's ship. Just casually tossing people overboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Before getting to the zeppelin I used Undertow because it made getting rid of those aircraft enemies easier. Land, Undertow off aircraft, back to Elizabeth. When it came to Siren Reveal hidden contents The first time was tough, but there were enough weapons. The second time I nearly ran out of ammo. The third and final time, I ran out of ammo, said screw it, and used the sniper rifle by the supplies machine to restock on sniper ammo while aiming at Lady Comstock and a few troublemakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnine Tenshi Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Reveal hidden contents Yeah, they seemed pretty content to just gather around her and stay there instead of approaching. And yeah, I used it prolifically on the way to the zeppelin too. That's about the most use I got out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoStarr Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 How I did the final battle; Reveal hidden contents Treat it like a moba. Stand by your tower (the big blue thing; that's the only part of the ship that takes damage) and aggro then kill anything that threatens it. Use songbird for the stuff that hasn't already boarded the ship. There are healthpacks in the room behind the tower. I finished it with more than 50% of the ships health remaining just by drawing fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 I feel like the power I used the most was Crows. Because shock jockey didn't last nearly as long with stunning enemies and I basically only used it when machine-enemies were in the viscinity.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoStarr Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 If you turn while using Crows it increases the area of effect too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 I wanted to like Murder of Crows, but it seemed to be like a homing stun attack. It is one of those combination Vigors though, but with how much Salt combining with Murder of Crows can take, I didn't bother often. Shock Jockey became more useful when you get the option to chain the effect. It made some of the final levels far more pleasant. Then, with Charge, if you had Gear affecting Melee, it amounted to a fast and more powerful Melee attack with those added bonuses. Return to Sender is my absolute favorite because all the upgrades are amazing. You use less Salt and the final upgrade is that you can collect ammo from enemies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Man watching the other Bioshock endings it seems like the developers have a thing for Father/daughter relationships being central to the plot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnine Tenshi Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Murder of Crows has an upgrade that makes it proliferate which is damn useful. Cast one or two and when enemies die another is dropped. :V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercurial Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 On 4/1/2013 at 11:43 PM, Waldorf And Statler said: Man watching the other Bioshock endings it seems like the developers have a thing for Father/daughter relationships being central to the plot. Because Ken's father didn't love him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Probably. Well guess here's to another 4+ years until another game by these guys. My thoughts? They might go with another IP all together. I don't know how much more they could do with the Bioshock formula or a spiritual successor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Yeah, I feel like they really managed to one-up the original with Infinite, and that was no small feat considering the impact it had back then. Pulling it off a second time might be difficult. Not sure 2K will want to leave the series dormant, though. I really hope they don't have another team put together a BioShock Infinite 2 or something equally stupid. BioShock 2 was so unnecessary. :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 I honestly don't see how they can pull off a sequel. Besides, that is why we have DLCs... If they reuse anything/anyone in the next game they make, they'll be reusing the Leteces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Bioshock 2 was unnecessary but tbh, it ended up having a bigger emotional impact on me than the first due to the relationship of Delta and the daughter. But considering there are no neutral enemies in this game ala Big Daddies, and you know everything that happens, the only possible way they could make a game out of this is if it's a prequel and stars another human. Which would be kind of boring. I wouldn't mind seeing: Reveal hidden contents The adventures of New Booker and Anna with Elizabeth. Was it ever confirmed the Elizabeth from the whole game disappeared with the others? Right before she disappeared the camera went black Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masonvrocks Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 (edited) So I just beat Infinite. I am confused as fuck, but very intrigued. . Reveal hidden contents But is Comstock actually Booker or was it more like "Comstock was able to rise to power because of Booker" so by booker dieing in the world where he becomes Comstock he's able to save Anna/Elizabeth in another? Edited April 2, 2013 by Masonvrocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 (edited) There is a spoiler button. [spoilerdelete] Get rid of the delete to use if you want to go manual. But yeah... Reveal hidden contents Comstock is Booker. Booker, after the Wounded Knee, wanted to be "reborn" so he went to get a baptism. As a new man, he became Comstock. Personally, after all the dimension traveling started, I started to get suspicious of who Comstock really was. Just before the reveal, I said it out loud to myself and flipped my shit as it was announced. Now to decide if I should play 1999 Mode or play it on Normal or Hard for some good fun. Edited April 2, 2013 by MaliciousH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Whoa, bro, don't you know, you need to put some spoiler tags there! Reveal hidden contents About the ending, I found it to be like so... There's two ways of making the ending work all-around (mostly). 1. The Booker you play as and the Comstock that afflicts your life are the original set. The male Lutece is from Booker's world, while the female Lutece created the technology in Comstock's world. Everything must have a beginning, setting things into motion, and once done, time then becomes irrelevant. The Lutece twins can then jump around, observing the probabilities and jumping through plains of reality to become near omnipresent. After all, they're aware of the limitations put upon the player if you decide to act upon the fourth wall. Try killing them, or stand around them for a while and they'll have something to say. By a complex and lengthy ordeal, we finally have Booker at the dividing point. One will reject the baptism and give up Anna, while the other will accept the baptism and take away Anna for her to become Elizabeth. If this point of probability were to be eradicated, then any realities and persons would be erased from existence as they have no beginning. Thus, a Booker who ends with a normal baby girl Anna, ten fingers total. 2. Take what I said up there, but apply it multiple times. Perhaps there are sets of "Bookers" and "Elizabeths" that make it to the same conclusion, or another we can not imagine as their own circumstances could be drastically different. After all, when we were walking amongst the lighthouses, we saw a few other sets walking to other doors. Now you could ask about us seeing multiple Elizabeths at Booker's death. Their paths could end up with us, or to other Bookers. Again, the possibilities are... Infinite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 I played it on Hard and I cant' see myself having fun with certain areas in the game on 1999 mode so no thx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masonvrocks Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 (edited) On 3/31/2013 at 6:03 PM, Deanb said: You're citing a wiki. Also Reveal hidden contents even the wiki still doesn't imply it's an alternate Columbia. When you visit alternate Columbia's it's always consistent. For one it's always Columbia. Lutece is Lutece or Lutece, Brooker is DeWitt or Comstock, Anna is Annabelle or Elizabeth. All, beyond Lutece, physically exactly the same people, with slightly different names and choices in their past. Rapture is a different time and place, populated by completely unrelated people, much like 1983 New York and Paris which you also temporarily visit. Just a narratively similar story, Hero of a 1000 faces style. I'd already mentioned the similarities in tech and powers before now so the wiki wasn't really some massive revelation in that. Reveal hidden contents The Lins are not the same physically, but I think they're the only ones. Hmm, Neostarr's summation of the ending was pretty good. Also, Dean. BOOKER. B-O-O-K-E-R. Single R Edited April 2, 2013 by Masonvrocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Reveal hidden contents The difference of the Lins is that it applies the whole theory of variables and constants. Mr Lin married a different woman due to a different choice or choices and she prays to Comstock over Buddha. What I found surprising and really liked was the difference of the Vox Populi in a world where they had the upper hand vs where they didn't. They were just as bad if not worst. I'll argue worst because I was all chummy with them in Shanty Town and then that bitch made them betray me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 (edited) I'm playing 1999, but like I said before, I'll probably drop it at the Siren. Then again, given what Vigors and weapons I favored the first time, I could use my money more effectively this time around when upgrading. Hopefully I would get the amazing Gear I did before, because that's the only variable I would be concerned about. Oh, and about the few choices we could make: Reveal hidden contents 1. I aimed at Fink. There wasn't anything necessarily incognito to Booker's mission yet. Besides, I'm sure Booker could have been sly and come off as a bad arm. 2. The Bird of course. It symbolizes freedom, but also what kind of young woman would wear a pendant of a cage?! 3. I drew my weapon. I'll probably put the video up, but the entire time I knew it was a trap. Man: Do you have sauerkraut? Vendor: Eh, yeah, I think we do. Man: How much? Vendor: I guess one Silver Eagle. Man: Thank you. 4. I spared Slate, and even if I wanted to kill him, I wouldn't have in front of Elizabeth. Now I was thinking of shooting him once I saw his lobotomized body in a jail cell, but I learned that letting off a Possession or gunshot in certain circumstances draws a negative response. EDIT: And W&S nailed it about the Lins. Edited April 2, 2013 by Atomsk88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masonvrocks Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 On 4/2/2013 at 4:34 AM, Waldorf And Statler said: Reveal hidden contents The difference of the Lins is that it applies the whole theory of variables and constants. Mr Lin married a different woman due to a different choice or choices and she prays to Comstock over Buddha. What I found surprising and really liked was the difference of the Vox Populi in a world where they had the upper hand vs where they didn't. They were just as bad if not worst. I'll argue worst because I was all chummy with them in Shanty Town and then that bitch made them betray me Reveal hidden contents Wasn't Mr. Lin also white? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 (edited) Nope, and also... Reveal hidden contents Asian Mrs. Lin was named May Lin, whereas Caucasian Mrs. Lin was named Sarah Lin. Same man, but two different wives. Edited April 2, 2013 by Atomsk88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Use Return to Sender against that boss. I cannot stress this enough. It will save you from a world of frustration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Atomsk: Reveal hidden contents You could've hit Slate. One quick punch killed him. Elizabeth gasps and stammers "I guess that's what he would have wanted." I saw it as a final act of mercy/pity since before nobody could've said what exactly could happen to him. Similar to One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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