Baconrath Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 I hope Win 9 has cupholders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 I'll wait for windows 9. I love the number nine. It rhymes with wine like when I dine. Why whine while using windows 8 when I can wait for nine? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVf5Cr4M-F8 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 8 is a lucky number. Divide it by two and it'll be the unluckiest number. FDS, not like I turn it off all the time. I get lazy in turning it off but I just see no point in leaving it on. If I leave it on, it'll just be a space heater with fans and HDDs to lullaby me to sleep. When I'm gone for the day, at times for 12 hours, then I guess it'll warm the spiders in my house. I guess this is just an extension of what have been drilled into me: turn things off if you are not going to use it for a good amount of time. This goes for lights, TVs and minor appliances. By default it will not stay on if you leave it for more than 30 minutes. That's one of the things I'm referencing. You can just sleep it. Also >implying they'll even use numbers anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Next iteration will be Windows U. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Windows 9.Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luftwaffles Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Next iteration will be Windows U. Windows One. Re: The Windows 8 hate. I don't mind Windows 8, I really don't. It's my desktop OS of choice. We've been over this before, if I remember correctly, and the discussion got about as nowhere as this one. That said, Dean, I feel like you're doing yourself a bit of a disservice in this argument by not using the OS but still making complaints. As FDS said, pin to start is still very much there, and adding items to the start menu is far from digging through system folders. If anything, it's exactly the same as Windows 7, except now instead of dragging items to the start button in the corner you drag and press the windows key. I get the criticism, but I feel like you very obviously haven't used the OS and are basing your opinion simply on the rehashed opinions presented by every tech blog and their mother. Yeah yeah, ad hominem and all that, but many of the things you're claiming simply aren't true, and if you had used the OS at length, you'd know that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) Windows 9.Blue You had to go and mention the color blue... Baka baka. Edited January 9, 2014 by MaliciousH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Windows 9.Blue You had to go and mention the color blue... Baka baka. That's probably not far off from what the actual Japanese box art will look like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staySICK Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 I've only used the OS for a couple of hours on a friends laptop trying to help him get some stuff figured out (install a printer etc), but from just playing around on it at first blush, I hated it. No real desire to install it on any of my systems right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted January 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 I'm sorry I'm with others here on the whole "why leave your things running when you're not using them, especially for hours at a time" camp. I can only guess at some kind of culture divide on how electricity is treat in various households and such. Oh sure other shortcuts can be memorised, trick is to not have to remember the shortcuts. Especially something as relatively simple as turning it off. It's Mal that uses Win+right+enter, I click the buttons since I use a mouse for my GUI OS. Faster boot is good, I just find it hilarious that the saving of less than a dozen seconds in your day to day life as an amazing thing. Just older OSes ran much slower, and these days you're more likely to get an improved boot time out of newer hardware, like slipping in an SSD, that'll have improvements in other part of daily computer use too, than upgrading your OS. I'm talking about the fact that quite a few programs don't show in the Windows 8 Start so you need to manually dig into the legacy start menu folder to add them in manually yourself. See the middle tip on this page. Which might even provide a nice bit of advice for those of you currently running Windows 8 wondering how to do that. Change for the sake of change isn't good though. I don't know of any/many non-touch orientated tablets, but then again might just be an american thing. Also I'm not seeing why the Surface having a trackpad on the cover makes it not-a-tablet. If it isn't a tablet you might want to ring up Microsoft and correct them that their page mistakenly says "Microsoft Surface Tablet" at the top. You said Chromebooks have an Android-like OS, but they don't. Android and Chromium are two different departments and OSes with different purposes and aims. And it wouldn't blow my mind to learn Android works with kb+m considering the first ever android device came with it built-in. Android works with pretty much anything you throw at it. Also yeah I am missing some point on a restrictive OS on traditional hardware. I'm not really sure where Chromebook is coming into this, I've never said anything about Windows 8 being a restrictive OS in the sense of Chromebooks. You're the only person bringing Chromebooks up. Oh stop being so obtuse. The difference between it taking up the whole screen and the slimline column of yore is a major difference between the two and one of the major differences in functionality. It fits about the same, if not more, menu items in a much smaller space. Reducing the motions needed by the mouse and eyes.You're all for saving 9 seconds on starting up the PC, bot not with the whole "moving your mouse much further than you used to have to all the time" front. Well the relevance on the name change is the concerns of "key european partner", of course Microsoft haven't really given much more beyond that so the speculation just has to be either on the trains they took their inspiration from or from MetroQ computers. For all it was supposedly a codename they made a huge effort to never use that codename again after coming up with "Modern Style UI". Also for yourself and Luftwaffles I'm sure why because I use Windows 7 on my home PC there's the assumption I don't use Windows 8 elsewhere when we've already covered in the past the whole "the place dean provides volunteer tech work at uses Windows 8 PCs, iMacs and iPads and the place Dean provides paid work at he uses an iMac all day", but yeah I totally don't use my personal experiences with these devices to drive discussion and personal opinion. edit: It's the shittiest thing ever made (they bought rather nice PCs but then never put aside budget for any actual software) but there's this little naf poster thing I threw together while I was volunteering. It's actually quite old cos I got quite a bit more added on before I had to leave (well that and Game Maker isn't that logo anymore). Will it put to rest the whole "Dean hasn't used Windows 8" stuff once and for all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) I'm sorry I'm with others here on the whole "why leave your things running when you're not using them, especially for hours at a time" camp. I can only guess at some kind of culture divide on how electricity is treat in various households and such. Are you retarded? Your computer sleeps automatically by default. This was even mentioned in the thread already. Oh sure other shortcuts can be memorised, trick is to not have to remember the shortcuts. Especially something as relatively simple as turning it off. It's Mal that uses Win+right+enter, I click the buttons since I use a mouse for my GUI OS. Right click bottom left corner, select shut down. Wow, this is really difficult, it's too bad only geniuses can understand the complexities of this OS. Faster boot is good, I just find it hilarious that the saving of less than a dozen seconds in your day to day life as an amazing thing. Just older OSes ran much slower, and these days you're more likely to get an improved boot time out of newer hardware, like slipping in an SSD, that'll have improvements in other part of daily computer use too, than upgrading your OS. You can do both. Using this logic all software should be slow as fuck because why not? We don't need speed for anything. Might as well just waste your day away letting things load. I'm talking about the fact that quite a few programs don't show in the Windows 8 Start so you need to manually dig into the legacy start menu folder to add them in manually yourself. See the middle tip on this page. Which might even provide a nice bit of advice for those of you currently running Windows 8 wondering how to do that. Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. Or just type in "not" and right click it. I don't know of any/many non-touch orientated tablets, but then again might just be an american thing. Also I'm not seeing why the Surface having a trackpad on the cover makes it not-a-tablet. If it isn't a tablet you might want to ring up Microsoft and correct them that their page mistakenly says "Microsoft Surface Tablet" at the top. This is also retarded. I never said anything about non-touch tablets. I'm pointing out that even for the surface they don't give you touch as the only way to interact with it. Tablets are not the only touch devices out there and quit being ignorant of that fact. Also yeah I am missing some point on a restrictive OS on traditional hardware. I'm not really sure where Chromebook is coming into this, I've never said anything about Windows 8 being a restrictive OS in the sense of Chromebooks. You're the only person bringing Chromebooks up. You mentioned that you don't see Android on regular computers and I was pointing out a similar product was actually being sold on computers while pointing out that for a "touch OS" Android has whatever reason has KB+M support. Oh stop being so obtuse. The difference between it taking up the whole screen and the slimline column of yore is a major difference between the two and one of the major differences in functionality. It fits about the same, if not more, menu items in a much smaller space. Reducing the motions needed by the mouse and eyes.You're all for saving 9 seconds on starting up the PC, bot not with the whole "moving your mouse much further than you used to have to all the time" front. This is where you're flat out wrong. If you organize your programs into columns it takes less eye and mouse movement which is why I think it's more efficient. You just remember your categories and that's it. Plus, since the icons are bigger, and the mind processes images faster than text, you don't actually have to read much if at all. Way faster than slogging through a bunch of sub-menus and since you pinned everything yourself it's only the programs you actually want to see which also saves time. Anything else is just a search away. Well the relevance on the name change is the concerns of "key european partner", of course Microsoft haven't really given much more beyond that so the speculation just has to be either on the trains they took their inspiration from or from MetroQ computers. For all it was supposedly a codename they made a huge effort to never use that codename again after coming up with "Modern Style UI". It got dropped before Windows 8 came out so they never had a huge product to push the name with. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_%28design_language%29#Name_change If you have used Windows 8 then this makes you look even worse considering how many things you get flat out wrong about the OS. I doubt you've used 8.1 at all. You can use something all you want but if you don't bother to learn it on purpose that's your own damn fault. You probably don't even use jump lists, libraries, and pinned programs on Windows 7. Edited January 9, 2014 by Faiblesse Des Sens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 I'm talking about the fact that quite a few programs don't show in the Windows 8 Start so you need to manually dig into the legacy start menu folder to add them in manually yourself. See the middle tip on this page. Which might even provide a nice bit of advice for those of you currently running Windows 8 wondering how to do that. Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. Or just type in "not" and right click it. What in the world does your response have to do with his comment? If you go to his link the middle tip is referencing adding programs that don't show up insearch. Clearly notepad does, which is why it's used as the example for finding programs that do show up in search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baconrath Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Overall how stable is Windows Ocho? I mean, Windows does (and will) crash but does it reach critical mass like Windows ME did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 I haven't heard of any problems withits stability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted January 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Sleep =/= Shut down. A quick search suggests that method of shutting down was only just recently added with Windows 8.1, so at least they're rectifying the stupid as hell "settings" it used to be. Look I've already said a faster boot is good, never said otherwise, but the difference provided by Windows 8 alone is nominal to be a major selling point of the OS. An SSD will see you a much more significant boot time increase (regardless of Win 7 or Windows 8) alongside all the stuff being faster in general usage too. Err.."not" what? Notepad? What's that got to do with anything? And other things having a touch screen doesn't make the Microsoft's flagship Surface not-a-tablet how? My watch has a touchscreen. Surface is still a tablet built for Windows 8 by Microsoft for their new OS. Chromebooks and Android aren't similar products though. Chromebooks are very much their own thing, an evolution of netbooks if anything. Especially given the price point and marketing. And once again, Android has supported optional kb+m since launch. I mean..I still don't honestly get what you're trying to get at here with this whole "chromebooks are like android" "android can use kb+m" stuff. Right, you do remember that Start Menu on Windows 7 you pin the programs you want to it right? And they're all just there waiting for you. In a much smaller and more efficient space. They're not "bigger for your eyes to see" they "bigger for your fingers to mush on". You don't really give much credit to our eyes and brains there if you think they can't parse text on a screen easy peasy. Hey look, your link, with the mention of the European Partner and their very sudden shift of dropping "Metro" in everything from UI to app naming conventions. If it was just a codename being dropped for release and not a name they were using until lawyers came knocking, you'd think they wouldn't be so hot on the heels of expunging it from all their documentation and naming conventions. No I've not used Windows 8.1, that only came out 2 months ago. And I totally don't have Jump Lists tweaked to display expanded lists, a punch of programs pinned, stuff pinned to my start, libraries for PXOD stuff, my video library drawing from several hard drives. Nope. Not a thing. I'm a total and utter dunce, and heck I'll even admit to your repeated implication of my lying about Windows 8 and admit that yes I've never once touched it. When I made this topic I totally wasn't on-board looking forward to it, scouring every info that came out. When the previews came out I totally didn't provide folks on here with advice on getting it up and running in a VM. I've never touched it. The months I spent as volunteer tech support? A complete fabrication. Why is it your only way of processing the fact that I generally dislike the OS you want to wed to assume that I am either a total and utter technical dunce or a liar? Why can't you just maybe accept that as they have done many times in the past, Microsoft have released a dud. @Bacon: Nothing wrong with the stability front. Not an issue Microsoft have had for quite some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baconrath Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 I thought as much. I'm kinda bored so I took it upon myself to think up Windows Ocho questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Overall how stable is Windows Ocho? I mean, Windows does (and will) crash but does it reach critical mass like Windows ME did? In terms of OS based crashes it's probably the most stable version of Windows. In terms of drivers/hardware/etc fucking things up its on par with Windows 7 as there's only so much they can do. At least the BSOD screen is friendly. A quick search suggests that method of shutting down was only just recently added with Windows 8.1, so at least they're rectifying the stupid as hell "settings" it used to be. Are you really so stupid that you thought I was arguing about Windows 8 and not the 8.1 update the whole time? Basically all of the 8.1 update was aimed at addressing these sorts of issues for non power users and providing more options. Wait until you find out that they brought back the start button! but the difference provided by Windows 8 alone is nominal to be a major selling point of the OS. I never said it was a major selling point. Just one thing out of many it does better. Err.."not" what? Notepad? What's that got to do with anything? Do you seriously not know you can hit the windows key and type to search for applications? This was introduced in Vista. And other things having a touch screen doesn't make the Microsoft's flagship Surface not-a-tablet how? My watch has a touchscreen. Surface is still a tablet built for Windows 8 by Microsoft for their new OS. When did I say that the Surface isn't a tablet? My point is that even on their main touchscreen device they're still giving you a touchpad which means it's a lot less tablet oriented than you think the OS is. Chromebooks and Android aren't similar products though. Obviously, I disagree, don't be surprised when they merge at some point. Right, you do remember that Start Menu on Windows 7 you pin the programs you want to it right? And they're all just there waiting for you. In a much smaller and more efficient space. They're not "bigger for your eyes to see" they "bigger for your fingers to mush on". You don't really give much credit to our eyes and brains there if you think they can't parse text on a screen easy peasy. You can only pin a small number of programs to the Windows 7 start menu. I'm not sure what you mean by they're all just there waiting for you. Smaller space? Sure, efficient? Nope. Regardless of intent the associated effect is that it's easier to find what you want. You're not really giving much credit to your subconscious if you think you can read faster than you can process an object. Why do you think so many signs and instructions just use visuals instead? No I've not used Windows 8.1, that only came out 2 months ago. So you haven't touched a Windows 8 computer in 2 months? Also, didn't it come out in mid October? Why is it your only way of processing the fact that I generally dislike the OS you want to wed to assume that I am either a total and utter technical dunce or a liar? Why can't you just maybe accept that as they have done many times in the past, Microsoft have released a dud. Probably due to the insane amount of things you have wrong or don't know about. You can use something all you want but that doesn't mean you actually put in the effort to learn it. You did it with Windows 7. Do it again with Windows 8. Stay away from Linux btw. Clearly adaptability is not your strong suit and you prefer familiarity even despite something else having clear advantages. Your viewpoints are pretty typical on the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Did you ignore the part where not all apps show up in search? *Edit* - Also, Win 7 has pictures in the start menu too, they're called "icons" and are plenty good enough for recognizing apps. And if I'm in All Programs instead of launching something pinned I just start typing the name of it anyway to go straight to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Did you ignore the part where not all apps show up in search? What apps don't show up? *Edit* - Also, Win 7 has pictures in the start menu too, they're called "icons" and are plenty good enough for recognizing apps. No shit. Might want to re-read that part again and say what I specifically say about them. And if I'm in All Programs instead of launching something pinned I just start typing the name of it anyway to go straight to it. Which works the same way in Windows 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted April 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 http://www.engadget.com/2014/04/02/microsoft-teases-a-classic-start-menu-for-windows-8-1-with-built/ The old and terrible start menu looks to be making a return and not-Metro Apps to be running inside of...not sure what to call them. Box things like you might find on the side of a building. Whatever that word I'm forgetting is it strikes me as a perfect name to use for an Operating System that would have this feature. In other news Windows 8 continues to gain market share in the face of the decline of XP. Nowhere near as much as Windows 7, but hey small victories? I wonder if reverting to the outdated start menu might cause issues with Windows 8 adoption (though I guess people can use the older Windows 8.0 if they find the newer version teased in the first link to be terrible idea, rather than just getting the newest OS for the sake of a new OS) http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2014/04/01/windows-7-outgains-windows-8-8-1-market-share-windows-xp-still-27/ Oh how I've missed this thread. Also this is the second time Windows 8 has piqued my interest. Mark your calenders! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Is "billboard" the word you're looking for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madbassman39 Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 I bought a new Windows 8 laptop. I don't love it. 8.1 fixed a lot of what I didn't like about the start screen (namely not being able to just see all apps without searching), but over all I actually kind of like the start screen. My biggest gripe is that I feel like I'm running two different operating systems when I use Windows 8, one metro and one desktop and occasionally go back and fourth. Being able to open metro apps in desktop mode has me most excited, because the apps themselves are pretty great, I just wish I didn't have to switch over to the screen to use them, then switch back to the desktop to use most other items on my computer and then switch back again for metro apps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRevanchist Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 But, back to the original argument. FDS is right. He's pretty damn sharp about tech shit. And, my personal opinion, MS can fuck off with their big push of trying to get people off of XP and onto 8. If someone loves XP, let them be. I love 7. Quit scaring people with this "WE WON'T SUPPORT YOU, SO BUY THIS NOW!!" bullshit for the XP users. Fucktards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted April 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Their push of getting folks from Windows XP over to Windows 8 is shortsighted and stupid. But the push to get folks off Windows XP in general is a good one. It's really heavily outdated, a security and compatibility nightmare. The idea of there being businesses using it is even scarier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingGerbil Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 If they're trying to get them off XP, where else are they going to direct them except their current OS? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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