deanb Posted July 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Third party stuff like Metrotwit. The default inbuilt theme is Aero. Not really best practice of MS, especially the office/windows dept, to be back porting windows themes into older OSes when they have a framework in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Why are you being so stubborn here? Apps don't have to use the OS's theme and more often than not they use their own rather than Aero. I would be very surprised to suddenly see apps using both Aero and Metro. I gave you an example of metro on Windows 7 that was a first party app. Why are you refusing to see that giant image I posted? Metro exists independent of any OS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted July 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Most programs do use the OS theme though, as opposed to baking in the theme from the current OS. Otherwise we'd probably still have a ton of fisher price/luna theme programs. But we don't, install old program on new OS, get the new OS themeing. I'm not refusing to see the Zune screenshot, just I'd already mentioned and dismissed the bunch of metro themed devices the E&D dept came up with that have bot all to do with the Windows or Office depts at MS. Maybe a shot of office 2007 running on xp with aero instead of luna would be more relevant, except up till now the office team had stuck to using non-os version specific elements. E&D, the guys that have repeatedly overhauled the 360 ui and often for the worse, are hardly the guys to point to and go; "look, they didn't follow MS design guidelines!". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 except up till now the office team had stuck to using non-os version specific elements. Â You're assuming that Metro is OS specific rather than a general design language. That's like assuming the Android Design Guidelines are only for ICS and higher. They just fit best in ICS and up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted July 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 I'm not assuming anything, it is OS specific. XP = Luna, Vista & Win 7 = Aero, Win 8 = Metro. Â Btw do you have shares, or family members or whatever in Microsoft. Just you get awfully touchy on folks dissing Metro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 What? Are you even dissing on Metro? The discussion here is that you seem to think that Windows 8 owns Metro. Metro is not OS specific. It existed before Windows 8, has been used on WIndows 7 applications, and is being brought to even more Windows 7 applications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted July 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Up to now the metro theme has been pretty windows-8 centric. It debuts on win 8, up until office 2013 it hadn't been seen on any prior windows versions, nor have MS made any notion that they'll be updating prior windows versions to the metro theme(in fact: source on your statement saying otherwise?). It is very much a windows 8 theme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Metro "debuted" on Windows Phone 7, if we want to talk about using it across a whole OS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted July 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 The Metro theme however debuts on Windows 8, and was first shown off a few weeks ago. There is a rather large difference between this  and this And you know it.  Had Office 2013 been made to run on this You'd have some sort of point, except it's running on the desktop side of things, which is why it's able to come to Windows 7 anyway.  But at least my suspicions are confirmed that you're purposefully ignoring that small fact in order to maintian an argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Metro is a design language. You can use it in different ways. Office 2013 looks less Metro than Windows 8 as a whole. Which is why I think it looks fine on Windows 7. I mean really, the big difference is a lack of transparency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code_Yuki Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 I like Office 13. Using it right now and love how clean, smooth and simple it is. Probably never going to switch back. Â Metro looks dumb and intrusive. I wouldn't mind if it's something like overlaying with some transparency on the normal desktop but to completely switch is just a bad decision. Â Also, Don't like how closed off Windows 8 is going to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 I like Office 13. Using it right now and love how clean, smooth and simple it is. Probably never going to switch back. Â Metro looks dumb and intrusive. I wouldn't mind if it's something like overlaying with some transparency on the normal desktop but to completely switch is just a bad decision. Â Also, Don't like how closed off Windows 8 is going to be. Â When you say Metro, do you mean the start menu? I don't get what you are referring to. There aren't any transparency elements in Metro. Also, in the RTM version of Win 8, the whole thing will be Metro and Aero will be gone so it will all fit together a bit better. Â Windows 8 isn't closed off. You can still do everything you could on Windows 7 with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code_Yuki Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 (edited) I like Office 13. Using it right now and love how clean, smooth and simple it is. Probably never going to switch back. Â Metro looks dumb and intrusive. I wouldn't mind if it's something like overlaying with some transparency on the normal desktop but to completely switch is just a bad decision. Â Also, Don't like how closed off Windows 8 is going to be. Â When you say Metro, do you mean the start menu? I don't get what you are referring to. There aren't any transparency elements in Metro. Also, in the RTM version of Win 8, the whole thing will be Metro and Aero will be gone so it will all fit together a bit better. Â Windows 8 isn't closed off. You can still do everything you could on Windows 7 with it. Â Yeah, what I mean is when you switch to the tablet like display or what ever it's called. Don't like it. Metro look to me is much better but that ugly tablet thing is just ruining it in my opinion. BTW, I firmly believe that Start Menu should have been gone long ago. Just ugly looking thing that's not even that efficient but they didn't create something that's just as good in efficiency that also doesn't look as worse. Â Not too sure about the closed off thing since I haven't used it much but basically, There's been a lot of noise on how Microsoft is starting to get closer into doing what Apple's doing with their stores etc. Edited July 27, 2012 by Code_Yuki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 So if you think the start menu should have been gone a long time ago, what do you consider a better replacement than Metro? In terms of efficiency, it's equal, you can still just type to open shit. It's just more visual and looks a lot better. The categories make it easy to use. Â Also, noise=/=facts. You can still install whatever you want onto your computer, MS just has a very up-front "store" now. That's what Gabe and the Blizzard exec are complaining about. Microsoft's store is what every single user of Windows 8 is going to see first thing, rather than Steam, rather than whatever the hell the Activision-Blizzard guy wants you to see. That's very powerful. Average joe doesn't look for alternatives. Then again, if no one puts games onto it (all that's there so far are tablet/phone style games) then it's not going to be a big deal as people will still download Steam for gaming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madbassman39 Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 So if you think the start menu should have been gone a long time ago, what do you consider a better replacement than Metro? In terms of efficiency, it's equal, you can still just type to open shit. It's just more visual and looks a lot better. The categories make it easy to use. Â To be honest, after windows 7 I hardly use the start menu, I just pin things to my task bar/use the search function in the start menu. if the start menu went away and was just a search I would actually be ok.... Then again, I am looking forward to seeing metro on a computer screen, I've been a big fan of the design scheme since I got the zune. i won't upgrade to 8 until I feel like I need to, but I'll want it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 If you like the style you'll love it when it pops up when hitting the start key. Searches are so prrtty now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code_Yuki Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 So if you think the start menu should have been gone a long time ago, what do you consider a better replacement than Metro? In terms of efficiency, it's equal, you can still just type to open shit. It's just more visual and looks a lot better. The categories make it easy to use. Â Also, noise=/=facts. You can still install whatever you want onto your computer, MS just has a very up-front "store" now. That's what Gabe and the Blizzard exec are complaining about. Microsoft's store is what every single user of Windows 8 is going to see first thing, rather than Steam, rather than whatever the hell the Activision-Blizzard guy wants you to see. That's very powerful. Average joe doesn't look for alternatives. Then again, if no one puts games onto it (all that's there so far are tablet/phone style games) then it's not going to be a big deal as people will still download Steam for gaming. Â Maybe. It could be just that I'm not used to it yet. I personally like the idea Microsoft 8 is going for, I just don't feel they've done enough for the desktop to ensure that the transition is seamless and it's that transition that's awful in my eyes (and the colours). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted July 29, 2012 Report Share Posted July 29, 2012 They're getting rid of Aero for the RTM/final version so it's going to look a lot more consistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted August 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/b/bloggingwindows/ Â It's now RTM. And with a timeline heading up for full release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 Torrents on the 15th sup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted August 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Already up apparently. Â Metro is also no longer a "thing". http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19108952 Trademark issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Unless trademark works differently in Europe, if it really is that Metro AG retailer that's retarded. A trademark is only violated if there could reasonably be confusion between the two things, and no one is going to confuse a computer interface with a retail outlet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 I just looked around at Metro AG stuff on the web... Â Wow. Not even close to any confusion. At least Scrolls and the Elder Scrolls were both video games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted August 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-said-to-block-ability-to-boot-straight-to-desktop-in-windows-8-7000002219/ Â Well bum. No doubt someone will hack it back in. Or an sp will reintroduce it to appease enterprise customers. Â As for metro AG it's on speculation they're the potential trademark issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 To be fair, if MS were planning on having a "Metro Store" that would definitely cross into Metro AG space. Also, depends on what Metro AG are registered under and what MS Metro were thinking of registering under. Brands are a big deal. I can totally understand defending your brand in this way. Especially if Metro AG is Tesco's big in Germany. Coca-Cola may be a soft drink, but see how far you get releasing a Coca-Cola car before you get slapped with a trademark infringement suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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