Faiblesse Des Sens Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 It's a Nintendo product, they're definitely not going for "green." Not to mention that playing video games in of itself isn't green. That's a whole different debate and I really wish you hadn't said that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 (edited) The touch screen I'm more sceptical about, but the screen I reckon could work. That's not to say it isn't somewhat unnecessary though, especially considering how much more expensive it will make the controllers. The only real benefit it would have is in a local split screen game where you wanted to give each player some information without showing the other players, like maybe a quiz game where you choose your answer from the controller screen so other people can't cheat. But that's an incredibly specific situation. Oh geez, what kind of games would this churn out... oh yeah, shovelware like the type we see for the Wii currently. I don't really see a use for the screen besides for stuff you mentioned. Yes, it can make Nintendo a good deal of money, and in the end, it all that really matters but for gamers like us... it doesn't do much for us. It could contain a pause menu or something but whats the point? Â I will, however, give this design an A+ for advancing the idea of wireless video streaming. This seems to be able to stream to 4 screens, with 4 different things at once as well. Sure its only a 6" screen but it still impressive. Â I'll think some more pluses it can do. The idea of combining the screen with motion detection has some potential... modern day Pokemon Snap... but it still pretty limited. Hrmm... --- Green? Perhaps... but I can shoot back and say it going to give me cancer with its magical IR or whatever waves it is using. Edited April 22, 2011 by MaliciousH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 I wonder if it'll be like 2009 E3 where Sony are last to run and have to scurry about with in development stuff and bring the engineers on stage to demo a device in front of hundreds. Cos I can see if this is real Nintendo showing this off, then the day after Sony coming out with the NGP n PS3 n showing off a similar function and being all a bit "well bum, guess it takes the winds out the sails" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 (edited) If Nintendo really was going to do something like this then why would they do it in conjunction with the 3DS? It seems like they'd have either created one or the other but not a portable game system and a video streaming portable system. I'm leaning toward calling this one false. Edited April 22, 2011 by Yantelope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr W Phallus Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 (edited) I'll think some more pluses it can do. The idea of combining the screen with motion detection has some potential... modern day Pokemon Snap... but it still pretty limited. Hrmm... Hmm if it had an outward facing camera it could do similar augmented reality stuff to the 3DS I suppose but in 2D. Still we're wandering into design the gameplay around the controller territory instead of finding inventive uses of a controller to compliment gameplay. Like you said, I hear the sounds of shovels. Â If Nintendo really was going to do something like this then why would they do it in conjunction with the 3DS? It seems like they'd have either created one or the other but not a portable game system and a video streaming portable system. I'm leaning toward calling this one false. Controller has a camera, controller has a touch screen, maybe the controller is just a 3DS? Edited April 22, 2011 by Mr W Phallus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 Wouldn't playing Mario Kart on smaller lower fidelity screens be less fun than just playing it together split screen? Other than for competitive FPS games (which Nintendo doesn't make) what's the advantage of everyone gaming on a small screen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 Â Supposed image of it. Â http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/85734/first-grainy-picture-of-project-cafe-leaked/ Â tbh all you have to do is model something in 3D, render it off, put on your screen in power point or something, then take a picture with your phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 "Innovation reinvented" Â Oh god that sounds stupid. Innovation is always innovation. Â Anyways, Easy portability!?!? WHAT!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 Easy portability would mean that it's easy to port games from PC or Xbox to the new console. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 Yeah, we had some nice discussions but... I'm with FDS with his... WHAT!? Thus... fake concept is fake. That part is utterly BS. It has to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 Easy portability would mean that it's easy to port games from PC or Xbox to the new console. Â I know. That's very innovative for a console SDK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 Actually the Xbox porting thing kind a makes sense. The rumoured specs make "project Cafe" to the 360 what the NGP is to the iPhone 4. Aka similar guts just slightly different clock speeds/model number. AMD parts inside, same as 360 (though when the 360 was made it was AMD n ATi parts ) Should make porting a kinda easy job, and devs would have approximate experience with the device already, nearly 6 years worth. Means there's less of a time while groping in the dark learning a new device, and if porting is easy it means an almost instant library. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr W Phallus Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 (edited) I doubt Nintendo would promote their product to the public by announcing they're gonna release a bucketful (shovelful?) of ports. Unless that's supposed to be a pitch to developers...but then why show a pic of the console? Pfff E3 better be soon or the rumour mill is going to get extremely tedious. Â Edit: Looked at the link, it's supposed to be from a developer's conference. Edited April 22, 2011 by Mr W Phallus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 I think this rumor mill is a ton of fun so far. A lot of ridiculous stuff, a lot of stuff that could be true, a lot of stuff we WANT to be true. It's been a mixed bag and I like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr W Phallus Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 Ok tedious was a bad choice of words. More like frustrating, it's fun to speculate...to a point. Then again I'm the one who keeps clicking on this thread in the first place. And speculating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4: Gritty Reboot Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 Actually the Xbox porting thing kind a makes sense. The rumoured specs make "project Cafe" to the 360 what the NGP is to the iPhone 4. Aka similar guts just slightly different clock speeds/model number. AMD parts inside, same as 360 (though when the 360 was made it was AMD n ATi parts ) Â I've read that the R700 is significantly more powerful (say, a "generation" more powerful) than the R500 in the 360, but I'm no expert so that could be false. Also isn't the NGP to have a quad-core processor vs. the iPhone's single-core? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 Actually the Xbox porting thing kind a makes sense. The rumoured specs make "project Cafe" to the 360 what the NGP is to the iPhone 4. Aka similar guts just slightly different clock speeds/model number. AMD parts inside, same as 360 (though when the 360 was made it was AMD n ATi parts ) Should make porting a kinda easy job, and devs would have approximate experience with the device already, nearly 6 years worth. Means there's less of a time while groping in the dark learning a new device, and if porting is easy it means an almost instant library. Okay, now that part makes sense... so Nintendo is going to try to steal whatever multiplatform game the 360 has? Or... trying to steal the 360 thunder. Why main with the 360 when you have Cafe which has guts like a 360 but more powerful, so you can do more. Â And yeah, this rumor mill is fun as heck. I was a bit too young for the rumor mills for the current generation. So this is pretty fun to discuss how this coming generation is going to be like, starting with Cafe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 Actually the Xbox porting thing kind a makes sense. The rumoured specs make "project Cafe" to the 360 what the NGP is to the iPhone 4. Aka similar guts just slightly different clock speeds/model number. AMD parts inside, same as 360 (though when the 360 was made it was AMD n ATi parts ) Â I've read that the R700 is significantly more powerful (say, a "generation" more powerful) than the R500 in the 360, but I'm no expert so that could be false. Also isn't the NGP to have a quad-core processor vs. the iPhone's single-core? Â Yeah, NGP has a quad core Cortex-A9 opposed to the single Cortex-A8 in the iPhone. CPU similarity makes porting oh so much easier. (They also have the same type of GPU too a PowerVR) Â So if Cafe/Stream has similar make of CPU/GPU to the 360 it makes porting much easier as essentially the main difference is just in clock speed. The instruction set, architecture etc will be pretty similar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4: Gritty Reboot Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 Actually the Xbox porting thing kind a makes sense. The rumoured specs make "project Cafe" to the 360 what the NGP is to the iPhone 4. Aka similar guts just slightly different clock speeds/model number. AMD parts inside, same as 360 (though when the 360 was made it was AMD n ATi parts ) Â I've read that the R700 is significantly more powerful (say, a "generation" more powerful) than the R500 in the 360, but I'm no expert so that could be false. Also isn't the NGP to have a quad-core processor vs. the iPhone's single-core? Â Yeah, NGP has a quad core Cortex-A9 opposed to the single Cortex-A8 in the iPhone. CPU similarity makes porting oh so much easier. (They also have the same type of GPU too a PowerVR) Â So if Cafe/Stream has similar make of CPU/GPU to the 360 it makes porting much easier as essentially the main difference is just in clock speed. The instruction set, architecture etc will be pretty similar. Â I see what you're saying; the similarity lies in the architectural likeness rather than the raw power. Got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingGerbil Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 I just remember people saying the wii would holographically project imagines into your living room in real 3D and other bat doo-doo insane stuff like that, so I am taking all this with an extreme pinch of salt until it has left Nintendo's lips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgi Duke of Frisbee Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 Wait, so it will only be a slightly more powerful 360? If that ends up being true, Nintendo can count me out. I still regret purchasing a Wii, so Nintendo would have to do better than that to win me back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4: Gritty Reboot Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 (edited) Wait, so it will only be a slightly more powerful 360? If that ends up being true, Nintendo can count me out. I still regret purchasing a Wii, so Nintendo would have to do better than that to win me back. Depending on the configuration of the CPU, it's entirely possible that the system is significantly more powerful than either current-gen HD console. The gpu is far more advanced than the R500 in the 360, assuming anything about the rumors turns out to be true of course. Â --- Â Looks like the console just got officially confirmed by Nintendo, to come out in 2012 and playable at E3 this year. Â http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/109522-Nintendo-Officially-Confirms-New-Console-for-2012 Edited April 25, 2011 by p4warrior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staySICK Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 This is going to be interesting. backwards compatibility, half a DS as a possible controller, and the size of the original xbox. Â ...that last part really worries me. good lord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 I think I'm going to wait on a 3DS until after what's said at E3. It's confirmed that we'll have a good look at the thing, but I need more details. Â I'm beginning to think that Nintendo may not be that hesitant to have a high price. The Wii gave them a huge financial boost, and they do have an expanded audience now. Heck, if this beast comes out in 2012, I wonder how people will view the NGP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 If Nintendo has had huge success with low cost consoles why would they abandon that now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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