Mal Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 Buy back the DB... oh sure. Not like you can't make copies. If people blast Sony for not taking the "deal"... I would would facepalm pretty damn hard. Besides, that rumor is going off a single tweet... As for the possible sale... and the issue with storing CCV codes. I know Sprint does it to make paying by phone faster. I won't be surprised if Sony stored it too. Now for the sale of the info, we'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 I'm pretty sure it's fake, because Sony says they don't store the CVVs. When it comes down to a contest between people who claim to be engaged in credit card fraud and a multinational corporation, I'm going to say the multinational corporation seems less likely to be dishonest. It's a close call though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingGerbil Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 Yeah, I believe they don't store the security number - I'm sure they try to put a spin on the problem, but they've said they don't store the number and I don't think they would outright lie. Of course that doesn't mean someone isn't selling the info and exaggerating what they have. Mind you I don't think the whole thing is as bad is it is being made out to be, if only Sony would tell the truth people wouldn't be believing the worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 I'm sure they try to put a spin on the problem, but they've said they don't store the number and I don't think they would outright lie. Yeah, that's kind of what I'm thinking too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyRan Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 A thought occurs to me. Has Sony apologized for this failure on their part even once? Oh sure, they didn't ask to be hacked, but their security failed their customers no matter how you slice it. I've seen words like "we regret" and "it is unfortunate", but I haven't seen anything put out by them that I would call an apology. I don't mean compensation in the terms of free content, although I would expect that much for at least the Plus subscribers. I just mean a public statement along the lines of "We're sorry this happened." Uh, yes they have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 They're doing a press event btw. I assume that'll be more in detail on what's happened n what will happen in the future.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 A thought occurs to me. Has Sony apologized for this failure on their part even once? Oh sure, they didn't ask to be hacked, but their security failed their customers no matter how you slice it. I've seen words like "we regret" and "it is unfortunate", but I haven't seen anything put out by them that I would call an apology. I don't mean compensation in the terms of free content, although I would expect that much for at least the Plus subscribers. I just mean a public statement along the lines of "We're sorry this happened." Uh, yes they have? Show it to me, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalCaveman Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/04/30/press-release-some-playstation-network-and-qriocity-services-to-be-available-this-week/ SCE and SNEI plan to start a phased rollout by region of the services shortly. The initial phase of the rollout will include, but is not limited to, the following: Restoration of Online game-play across the PlayStation®3 (PS3) and PSP® (PlayStation®Portable) systems -This includes titles requiring online verification and downloaded games Access to Music Unlimited powered by Qriocity for PS3/PSP for existing subscribers Access to account management and password reset Access to download un-expired Movie Rentals on PS3, PSP and MediaGo PlayStation®Home Friends List Chat Functionality Complimentary Offering and “Welcome Back” Appreciation Program While there is no evidence at this time that credit card data was taken, the company is committed to helping its customers protect their personal data and will provide a complimentary offering to assist users in enrolling in identity theft protection services and/or similar programs. The implementation will be at a local level and further details will be made available shortly in each region. The company will also rollout the PlayStation Network and Qriocity “Welcome Back” program, to be offered worldwide, which will be tailored to specific markets to provide our consumers with a selection of service options and premium content as an expression of the company’s appreciation for their patience, support and continued loyalty. Each territory will be offering selected PlayStation entertainment content for free download. Specific details of this content will be announced in each region soon. All existing PlayStation Network customers will be provided with 30 days free membership in the PlayStation Plus premium service. Current members of PlayStation Plus will receive 30 days free service. Music Unlimited powered by Qriocity subscribers (in countries where the service is available) will receive 30 days free service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 Us free folks are getting something? Why Sony... you don't have to got this far for us... well seriously, this is a pretty good move, I think. Maybe I will like PSN Plus... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 (edited) I'm looking forward to getting online play the most. Malicious, if you haven't played Portal 2 co-op yet... PLAY WITH ME! I just finished today, but I would like to help out a friend. *cough* To get a trophy or two... *cough* Edited May 1, 2011 by Atomsk88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 I have yet to play Portal 2. Period. However, me getting Portal 2 has been solved so... soon. I just have to wait for my copy to get here. $20... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 PSN+ doesn't sound too bad. Right in time for me finishing uni too, so I can actually take advantage of it. Do you get access to just that months games, or games of the past? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excel_excel Posted May 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 Just that months games. If you keep subscribing you get to keep the free shit as long as your subscription lasts. Then *poof* its gone. Smart thinking by Sony minimum costs this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 Well if it's a game I beat quickly, then no foul. IF it's a game I like, maybe I'll pick it up. (unless it's a mini or the PSX game i like in which case...hello CFW'ed PSP ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
「Advent Chaos」 Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 And this should be a message that speaks to ALL gamers out there, including those smug dipshits taking this opportunity to loudly declare that their XBOX Live fee is suddenly all the more justified, as if requiring consumers to throw money at a network infrastructure makes it magically immune to every conceivable attack by some arbitrary measure. I love you, SO HARD. Even though I know it's a horrible thing to do, I try to use universal passwords for all of my accounts and switched to a particular one after the Gawker incident. It was an awkward password for me and I was JUST getting used to it, but it seems I better start using different passwords all around now. With that said, like other people in this thread I don't feel worried or anything, I'm not the most interesting person to have my information taken. If anything most of my information is given away when I join sites like Facebook and the likes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyRan Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 A thought occurs to me. Has Sony apologized for this failure on their part even once? Oh sure, they didn't ask to be hacked, but their security failed their customers no matter how you slice it. I've seen words like "we regret" and "it is unfortunate", but I haven't seen anything put out by them that I would call an apology. I don't mean compensation in the terms of free content, although I would expect that much for at least the Plus subscribers. I just mean a public statement along the lines of "We're sorry this happened." Uh, yes they have? Show it to me, then. Huh. So they didn't. I was thinking of SOE's statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excaliburps Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 Ok. I'm tired of writing about the PSN, Hackers, etc. And I know a ton of people do, too! So can we expect the PSN posts to slowly die out once the PSN is back online this coming week? It's one thing to report on the FBI findings, etc. But every site out is just reporting on the same old thing! Oh, and some sites add in snark for good measure (hits). Heck, even my twitter is getting flooded. Sony messed up their security but it was like videogame news just stopped happening. Add in the fact that PSN posts got the most views, and well, yknow what happens next. I actually got a bunch of people calling me biased, ignorant, etc. because I was reporting about it. I mean I'm snarky sometimes but I was actually very bland when writing these posts for those exact reasons. Some readers seriously need better reading comprehension skills. So, free PSN Plus?! Not bad. Throw in maybe a game or something and I think I'll be ok. It's not like I pay for it, no? I mean I do since I joined PSN Plus but seeing as PSN is free, I'm not losing much sleep over it. I only want to play online and that's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 (edited) See, I don't believe Sony necessarily "messed up" their security. Every type of security can be "hacked." There are just some that are more easily cracked (Gawker) and some that take a lot of time to infiltrate and decrypt. Or I don't know, maybe there's an article out there in the maelstrom of PSN "news" articles that offered evidence that the security was a sham. If so, how come it took almost five years for someone to get practically useless information? Honestly, I think having a Facebook profile has put me in greater personal risk than anything with PlayStation Network. Edited May 1, 2011 by Atomsk88 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyRan Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 (edited) See, I don't believe Sony necessarily "messed up" their security. Every type of security can be "hacked." There are just some that are more easily cracked (Gawker) and some that take a lot of time to infiltrate and decrypt. Or I don't know, maybe there's an article out there in the maelstrom of PSN "news" articles that offered evidence that the security was a sham. If so, how come it took almost five years for someone to get practically useless information? Honestly, I think having a Facebook profile has put me in greater personal risk than anything with PlayStation Network. Exactly. I have absolutely no idea why people just automatically assume that the security was sub-par. I don't see any evidence that suggests this. Either way, gaming journalism in general has sunk to a new low with this. Pretty much every journalist out there is jumping on the "irrational bashing of Sony" bandwagon just because it's getting them more pageviews. You'll be hard pressed to find any site that's updating this story without any snarky sarcasm, and there's plenty of occasions when they flat out lie or just pull stuff out of their ass. And this is separate from all the half-witted "editorial" pieces that bash Sony based on pure conjecture, complete with lapses in logic so large it amazes me they were even able to write their rants with any kind of serious tone. It's like everybody collectively made up their mind that this entire thing is Sony's fault, and Sony's response and their attempts to fix it, no matter what it is, will never be good enough to them. They've already made up their mind that Sony's security and response was and will be "sub-par" and regardless of what happens they'll find any way to support their preconceived notion. That's at least what it looks like to me looking in. It's this behavior that confirms suspicion that "gaming journalism" is considered a joke. When they can't report on something that's actually a serious issue and not a shiny new game or hardware with any kind of professional integrity, it's really obvious to see their lack of maturity and ability to function as a proper "journalist". No offense directed at our Excaliburps of course Edited May 1, 2011 by RockyRan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 In the general scale of things this is nothing as far as personal info leaks go. Heck how does unencrypted records on 25million children in the UK sound? (there's 75million population in UK. Bit of scale for the folks living in a country of 300million) This has leaked your: PSN ID: Pretty public, I have a list of them just by playing online Email address: Even more public really. At most this will net you spam, spam filters should help Password: If this is an issue, you're a fucking retard n deserve it. You using the same password, GTFO. Shit you can use the same n just have psnqwerty, then gmlqwerty, twrqwerty, tayqwerty n so on. New passwords aren't too hard to make. Credit card: At this stage it's pretty unlikely this info has leaked. Separate DB, Sony reckon it hasn't along after 3 security firms over a couple weeks of checking. If it has, fraud protection should do it's job. (though some discussion on twitter the other day suggests US CC protection isn't too up to snuff. I know you guys don't have Chip n PIN, but seems online is lacking too) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 My only experience with credit card fraud prevention has been my bank blocking transactions that I wanted to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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excaliburps Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 See, I don't believe Sony necessarily "messed up" their security. Every type of security can be "hacked." There are just some that are more easily cracked (Gawker) and some that take a lot of time to infiltrate and decrypt. Or I don't know, maybe there's an article out there in the maelstrom of PSN "news" articles that offered evidence that the security was a sham. If so, how come it took almost five years for someone to get practically useless information? Honestly, I think having a Facebook profile has put me in greater personal risk than anything with PlayStation Network. Exactly. I have absolutely no idea why people just automatically assume that the security was sub-par. I don't see any evidence that suggests this. Either way, gaming journalism in general has sunk to a new low with this. Pretty much every journalist out there is jumping on the "irrational bashing of Sony" bandwagon just because it's getting them more pageviews. You'll be hard pressed to find any site that's updating this story without any snarky sarcasm, and there's plenty of occasions when they flat out lie or just pull stuff out of their ass. And this is separate from all the half-witted "editorial" pieces that bash Sony based on pure conjecture, complete with lapses in logic so large it amazes me they were even able to write their rants with any kind of serious tone. It's like everybody collectively made up their mind that this entire thing is Sony's fault, and Sony's response and their attempts to fix it, no matter what it is, will never be good enough to them. They've already made up their mind that Sony's security and response was and will be "sub-par" and regardless of what happens they'll find any way to support their preconceived notion. That's at least what it looks like to me looking in. It's this behavior that confirms suspicion that "gaming journalism" is considered a joke. When they can't report on something that's actually a serious issue and not a shiny new game or hardware with any kind of professional integrity, it's really obvious to see their lack of maturity and ability to function as a proper "journalist". No offense directed at our Excaliburps of course None taken. I kinda agree. While there has to be a balance between hard-hitting news and news posts that you know will get hits, it's something that has been going downhill from time to time. One of the major reasons I think is because of money. To talk more in-depth about it, I made a thread that will talk about this. It's in New Vegas http://board.pressxordie.com/topic/1106-videogame-writing-as-a-job-and-other-stuff/page__pid__49212#entry49212 Concerning the Sony thing, some game writers are really going a bit overboard with it. I mean take Jim Sterling for instance. I know a lot of people don't like him. I personally am ok with him, but he really does seem like he has a vendetta against Sony for the way he's been "reporting" the PSN "facts." Thing is, we all don't know how good or shitty Sony's security concerning the PSN has been. I mean unless you work for Sony or for a major development studio, all we can do is theorize and whatnot. At least for me. I am in no way technical I admit. Can you imagine if this happened to XBL? I mean PSN is free. But for those that pay yearly for online and this happens? I think it would certainly be a bigger mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excaliburps Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 In the general scale of things this is nothing as far as personal info leaks go. Heck how does unencrypted records on 25million children in the UK sound? (there's 75million population in UK. Bit of scale for the folks living in a country of 300million) This has leaked your: PSN ID: Pretty public, I have a list of them just by playing online Email address: Even more public really. At most this will net you spam, spam filters should help Password: If this is an issue, you're a fucking retard n deserve it. You using the same password, GTFO. Shit you can use the same n just have psnqwerty, then gmlqwerty, twrqwerty, tayqwerty n so on. New passwords aren't too hard to make. Credit card: At this stage it's pretty unlikely this info has leaked. Separate DB, Sony reckon it hasn't along after 3 security firms over a couple weeks of checking. If it has, fraud protection should do it's job. (though some discussion on twitter the other day suggests US CC protection isn't too up to snuff. I know you guys don't have Chip n PIN, but seems online is lacking too) Exactly. The only major concern for me is the credit card info. And we still don't have concrete info now that someone's CC info did get hacked or used. What actually bothers me more is how most game journos and sites are attacking Sony nonstop and saying they're incompetent or stupid but at the same time aren't condemning those people that actually started this whole mess. I mean if they did this to the PSN, what's stopping them from going after Xbox or Nintendo next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 I actually heard that there was an attack on XBL when all this PSN shit was brewing. Not sure if it was real or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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