deanb Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 I dunno now. Maybe I interpreted it incorrectly, but I'm pretty sure that it's implied that the assassins order is descended from Adam n Eve. The eagle vision isn't a taught skill, it's inherited along with the reflexes. You have apprentices too, like Shaun n Rebecca, and the ones you pick up in Brotherhood. It's why there's a bloodline all the way from Adam n Eve, through to Altair, Ezio n on to Desmond, all are Assassins. As for Templars they're regular joe humans in a get rich club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotChops Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 As for Templars they're regular joe humans in a get rich club. Who were Adam and Eve running from in that vid though? I think the Templars are the descendants of their overlords. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 (edited) As for Templars they're regular joe humans in a get rich club. Who were Adam and Eve running from in that vid though? I think the Templars are the descendants of their overlords. There overlords are the aliens. Presumably there's some alien DNA in the Assassin line, which is what makes them so badass. The Templars are just regular humans. Edited May 10, 2011 by TheMightyEthan Removed spoiler tags since apparently we don't care anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 They're fleeing from "the ones who came before". Minerva n Co. They were slave drivers after all. But they're part-human part-ones who came before. It's why Assassins are immune to Pieces of Eden (it'd be a bit fucking stupid to make a device that can mind control you too) You have: Ones Who Came Before. They're kind of gods of sorts, they made the human race in their image as a slave races to help build the temples. No idea on their origin yet though. Humans: made as slaves, they eventually outumber and overthrow the OWCB. Us. Templars come from this stock too. Assassins: Descended from Adam n Eve, a cross-breed/hybrid of the two. So outwardly human, but with traits such as Eagle Vision, immunity to the POEs, improved reflexes and supposedly longevity. Not all Assassins are hybrids though, some are just initiated into the guild so none of the magic powers. But I'd imagine they do try to have some kind of selective breeding going. Maybe it's a dominant trait, so it doesn't matter who the partner is? btw we've all seen "The Truth" yeah? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 Damnit! I just read the comics, Assassin's Creed: The Fall, and I don't care if Ubisoft are milking the franchise! That little bit of story made me hunger for more AC! Now I can't wait for Revelations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomTervo Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 (edited) I saw both the Truth's, yeah. I felt that Assassin's weren't necessarily much better than humans, save Eagle-Vision, which arguably is just their highly developed intuition that's passed down. But yeah, it's not exactly realistic. I got the impression that they were physically pretty normal- they just had the whole 'secret organisation/cult' lifestyle that would keep them at the peak of physical and mental health. Very much like Batman. You got it down, Dean. I'm pretty sure all of that is correct. Serious spoilers on the whole Adam and Eve/ The Truth thing: The Truth in ACII is that Subject 16, the one who came before Desmond, supposedly went back far enough in his bloodline in the Animus, and saw the very earliest memory from the Assassin bloodline: Adam and Eve gaining free will (Knowledge from the Apple, or whatever), and escaping from the overlords, the One's Who Came Before. So Adam and Eve were the first Assassin's, and escaped the overlords as, imaginably, something cataclysmic happens (the overlords do mention something to do with the sun and great destruction). And Desmond, subject 16, etc., are all the contemporary direct descendants of Adam and Eve. Who are the very first Assassins as we know it. In short: cool story ancient bro's. However, I got the impression that Templar's were also from the same pool of blood as the Assassin's, but just had very different views and drives for where humanity should go? I could easily be wrong- but that would explain why, if Altair got with a Templar, Ezio and Desmond are so pure. @Thursday: that's disappointing =( Edited May 12, 2011 by kenshi_ryden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 However, I got the impression that Templar's were also from the same pool of blood as the Assassin's, but just had very different views and drives for where humanity should go? I could easily be wrong- but that would explain why, if Altair got with a Templar, Ezio and Desmond are so pure. It could be what dean speculated, that the assassin traits are dominant. In that case Ezio and Desmond wouldn't necessarily be "pure", they'd just have the traits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope Posted May 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 The assassin's reflexes and stuff aren't inherited. Desmond gains them through the bleeding effect of being in the animus. I assume that's how he gained eagle vision as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 And Altair n Ezio just happen to have hidden 21st century tech lying around to grant them their skills too? The animus rapidly trains him how to use his skills, doesn't imbue him with anything he didn't have. Bear in mind he's sat inside it, not exactly the best way to exercise your muscles for fast reflexes n the like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope Posted May 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 (edited) And Altair n Ezio just happen to have hidden 21st century tech lying around to grant them their skills too? The animus rapidly trains him how to use his skills, doesn't imbue him with anything he didn't have. Bear in mind he's sat inside it, not exactly the best way to exercise your muscles for fast reflexes n the like. Altair gained his skills through training with the guild and there's a passing of time in AC2 where Ezio trains his skills. I think the bleeding effect is a way of sort training your brain through memory by living it. It think it's supposed to be a Matrix like effect. I don't know how he got the muscles though. Quoting from the infallible wikipedia "He is soon rescued by Lucy Stillman, a mole for the Assassins within Abstergo, who takes him to meet two other Assassins, historian Shaun Hastings and computer expert Rebecca Crane. They request that Desmond use their version of the Animus, the Animus 2.0, to relive memories of another Assassin, Ezio Auditore da Firenze, not only to learn of the location of more Pieces of Eden (which Abstergo is seeking), but to also train Desmond in the ways of the Assassins through the "Bleeding Effect" of the Animus" Edited May 12, 2011 by Yantelope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 Yeah, I'm with dean, I think the bleeding effect just trained him how to use the genetic skills he already possessed, it didn't give him any new skills. Altair and Ezio spent years training those same skills without the bleeding effect, like you said. That's why it took them years, and Desmond weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope Posted May 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 I also think that the fact that you take normal people in AC:B and train them into full fledged members of the Assassin's is evidence that there isn't anything innate about their abilities. I think the only thing that is inherited from the bloodline is the memories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 Ezio, Altair and such are probably more like the natural or 'alpha' assassins. Ones born to lead, blah blah, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 I think it's a mix of both. Like Yant said, Abstergo train their guys in the Animus(es?) as well. So the Animus can probably be used to train reactions, combat thinking and some muscle memories and such. But I think that's more of a practice/simulation to test the training they must undergo outside the Animus. And I don't think those guys will ever pick up special skills like Eagle Vision or Leap of Faith. Those are exclusive to Altaïr/Ezio/Desmond's bloodline. And while these skills depend on his genetic memories, I don't think they would've just unlocked on their own either. The bleeding effect was necessary for Desmond to learn them in a matter of days instead of training for year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope Posted May 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 Hmmm.... Wasn't there a part in the first AC where someone was teaching you to use eagle vision? There was some tutorial mission where you learn to use it but I don't remember if it was someone in game teaching you to use your eagle vision or if it was just a message on the screen telling you to use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 I think it's a simple on-screen message during that first mission before Altaïr "loses his honor". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 Hmmm.... Wasn't there a part in the first AC where someone was teaching you to use eagle vision? There was some tutorial mission where you learn to use it but I don't remember if it was someone in game teaching you to use your eagle vision or if it was just a message on the screen telling you to use it. If I'm remembering correctly, it was one of those Animus tutorial things, so it wasn't actually someone teaching Altair, it was more like the Animus teaching Desmond how Altair's powers work. It was the same kind of thing that told you about the indicators above guards' heads that told how alert they were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope Posted May 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 Hmmm.... Wasn't there a part in the first AC where someone was teaching you to use eagle vision? There was some tutorial mission where you learn to use it but I don't remember if it was someone in game teaching you to use your eagle vision or if it was just a message on the screen telling you to use it. If I'm remembering correctly, it was one of those Animus tutorial things, so it wasn't actually someone teaching Altair, it was more like the Animus teaching Desmond how Altair's powers work. It was the same kind of thing that told you about the indicators above guards' heads that told how alert they were. Ah yes, you may be right. My short term videogame memory is not what it once was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 Oh, you're right. I'd forgotten about that tutorial sequence. It's been quite a while since I played the first AC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercurial Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 (edited) Just finished the truth thing in brotherhood. Last bit was pretty cool but I am curious as to who the hell 16 is. Edited May 13, 2011 by Hakidia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomTervo Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 I think he's just an Assassin-bro. Obviously incredibly smart, after what he did to get into/ become the Truth in AC:B. Don't think he's got overall-ley large significance though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercurial Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 Oh God assassin bro...the images. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madbassman39 Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 Just got AC:B yesterday for my birthday, so I was reading the back and I saw something that caught my eye. Its powered by the havok engine, which is a physics engine right? (correct me if I'm wrong) Not too surprising, Havok has been the main engine of use for most games on consoles this gen. But then I saw something different, it read "powered by Adobe Flash". Does that mean that the game's characters and cities and worlds are rendered in flash? Am I wrong on this? If it really is made with flash, then flash is one hell of a program! Any how, I'm going to plug AC:B in and give it a shot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 I think the menus/maps/etc were made with Flash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 Just got AC:B yesterday for my birthday, so I was reading the back and I saw something that caught my eye. Its powered by the havok engine, which is a physics engine right? (correct me if I'm wrong) Not too surprising, Havok has been the main engine of use for most games on consoles this gen. But then I saw something different, it read "powered by Adobe Flash". Does that mean that the game's characters and cities and worlds are rendered in flash? Am I wrong on this? If it really is made with flash, then flash is one hell of a program! Any how, I'm going to plug AC:B in and give it a shot! Havok is a Physics middleware engine. You can't make a game purely on Havok, still need something to latch it on to. PhysX is' Nvidias Physics engine, you'll see PhysX more on PC, though it can run on PS3 too. Havok is a bit more general use. Flash is used as part of Scaleform(which now you'll start to see everywhere once you know the name). Scaleform is another middleware engine, this time it's used as a way of building in-game menus using Flash then converting them to a system that the game engine understands. http://www.scaleform.com/gamesusing It comes as part of UDK too. If anyone is interested I can probably do a run-down of the various tech, engines n middleware used in games at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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