Mister Jack Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) Everything has netflix. And if they really wanted the Xbox One to be the future of tv entertainment, they needed to do a lot better than this. I think that making deals with the biggest tv channels would have made this box a lot more relevant. Nobody likes cable companies these days, and if Microsoft had signed a deal to have channels like HBO, AMC, Adult Swim, or any of the hugely popular ones provided directly to you through Xbox Live at a small subscription fee per channel, THEN it would truly be the future of television. I might have actually wanted one then just to use for that purpose, since the actual cable box would then become superfluous. I didn't expect Microsoft to provide EVERY tv channel, but I thought they'd at least secure the big ones that everyone cares about and provide them with an a la carte service like Mr. GOH was just talking about. But it doesn't, so this is just a half-assed machine trying to pass itself off as the next big thing. Maybe hoping for that was a little idealistic, but you gotta have a lot of balls to call yourself the future of tv if this is the best you can do. Edited May 22, 2013 by Mister Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 Everything has netflix. And if they really wanted the Xbox One to be the future of tv entertainment, they needed to do a lot better than this. I think that making deals with the biggest tv channels would have made this box a lot more relevant. Nobody likes cable companies these days, and if Microsoft had signed a deal to have channels like HBO, AMC, Adult Swim, or any of the hugely popular ones provided directly to you through Xbox Live at a small subscription fee per channel, THEN it would truly be the future of television. I might have actually wanted one then just to use for that purpose, since the actual cable box would then become superfluous. I didn't expect Microsoft to provide EVERY tv channel, but I thought they'd at least secure the big ones that everyone cares about and provide them with an a la carte service like Mr. GOH was just talking about. But it doesn't, so this is just a half-assed machine trying to pass itself off as the next big thing. This is actually even more ridiculous than what you were expecting before. Yes, that would be the future of television, but it would happen on the cable box people already have before it happened on the Xbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 That is the absolute last thing cable companies want. People are already trying to make it happen and they are fighting it tooth and nail. Someone else is going to have to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 Very, very few content providers would be willing to face the wrath of cable TV companies by going above their heads and signing deals with MS so that LIVE subscribers could access their channels without a cable TV subscription. Pure fantasy at this point. Again, I'm not saying the One is any good, or that folks should buy it, just that some of the reactions seem overdramatic given what we already knew. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 Well surely we can at least agree that as far as enhancing the television experience goes, this thing is a huge letdown. Maybe a la carte channels was too much to hope for, but the box itself does practically nothing that our cable boxes don't already do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 What device does everything this thing sets out to do? Google TV comes close. Any other options? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madbassman39 Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 The problem is my TV has Netflix right on the TV, Amazon Video, Vudu, Rhapsody, Pandora, Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, and some other services I've never even heard of (M-Go anyone?). Microsoft's goal of having a one box for everything is nearly moot because of Smart TVs. Soon your cable box will be replaced with a USB stick drive that you plug into your TV, or may be a web app on your TV. The only item you really need under your tv is a bluray player and a gaming system at this point, but even movies and games are trying to move to pure digital distribution. The Xbox needs to focus on games, because that will sell this new generation. Sony seemed to understand that in their press, and I'm sure Microsoft is aware, but they didn't show that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 Apparently the Xbox One is not doing jack shit to cater to indie developers. If anything they only made things worse. Marketplace will no longer have a dedicated section for download only games like XBLA, and they still won't allow indies to self-publish, despite literally every other console doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 The problem is my TV has Netflix right on the TV, Amazon Video, Vudu, Rhapsody, Pandora, Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, and some other services I've never even heard of (M-Go anyone?). Microsoft's goal of having a one box for everything is nearly moot because of Smart TVs. Soon your cable box will be replaced with a USB stick drive that you plug into your TV, or may be a web app on your TV. The only item you really need under your tv is a bluray player and a gaming system at this point, but even movies and games are trying to move to pure digital distribution. The Xbox needs to focus on games, because that will sell this new generation. Sony seemed to understand that in their press, and I'm sure Microsoft is aware, but they didn't show that. Yeah, but the Xbox One does a lot more than that. You're underselling it. The One actually has shit that isn't widely available like sports packages and whatnot. For what you want to use it for it may not be much but it's pretty clear that most of us are not the target market for this thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madbassman39 Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 Whats to stop similar sports packages coming to my Smart TV? All that stuff can be added to my TV with a simple download service. What the Xbox One will do is nothing that my TV can't do, except play the big budget games. Sure it may not do it now, but as the Smart TV market grows, so will the demand to bring these services or similar services over to the Smart TV to add as an App. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 Let's just agree that the sports maniac "i shit money in my sleep" in his 40's who happens to still be a gamer and loves fantasy sport teams is absolutely shitting his pants in excitement right about now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Faiblesse Des Sens Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 Whats to stop similar sports packages coming to my Smart TV? All that stuff can be added to my TV with a simple download service. What the Xbox One will do is nothing that my TV can't do, except play the big budget games. Sure it may not do it now, but as the Smart TV market grows, so will the demand to bring these services or similar services over to the Smart TV to add as an App. So where are these devices? I don't give a shit about what's possible. I care about what's happening. And the Xbox One is happening. Where are the games for Apple TV? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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madbassman39 Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) What are you asking for? The devices are in many living rooms already, in my TV I can download ESPN Score Center, MLB TV, XOS College sports apps, NBC Sports, Skype, everything I previously listed, and much more. There are dozens of apps on Smart TVs that can compete with what the Xbox One has to offer. With my existing cable box I can already watch TV. With the Xbox One, I still need that cable box to plug into it. But as I said, the two things my TV can't do is play games and play disc based movies. And Xbox Live chat with my friends, but my iphone can do that. Edit: I also am not taking away from the Xbox One, that these shouldn't be included, or that they are bad, I am saying that the Xbox One should put more emphasis on the games and less on the apps that it will do. The apps the Xbox One can do won't sell anyone on the system, they are to push you from buying the Xbox One over the competition. Games will sell people on the system. Edited May 22, 2013 by madbassman39 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 Hoping that the Next Xbox would be a real replacement for set-top cable boxes is on par with hoping that one would win the Powerball without buying a ticket. Just securing the agreements with every cable television operator would be a nightmare, let alone dealing with the technical details. We will have a la carte television standard before we have a third-party replacement cable box that works with every provider. But based on the way they've explained it so far even the HDMI pass-through only works with cable boxes from companies MS has a partnership with, it doesn't support all providers. Given that, I fail to see why negotiating a deal to have the Xbox be the cable box would have been any harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRevanchist Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 Let's just agree that the sports maniac "i shit money in my sleep" in his 40's who happens to still be a gamer and loves fantasy sport teams is absolutely shitting his pants in excitement right about now. No, I'm not excited, though I have yet to reach that 40 milestone, which may account for the lack of pants shitting. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSHNq79o-gM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 Called it, the EA Sports videos were target renders, not running on the hardware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 Was anyone really fooled by the EA video in the first place? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 I got the impression they wanted us to think it was in-engine, just not gameplay. Anyone who thought it was gameplay though is either a very small child, old person, or idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 @Jack: So basically we got no straight answers yet again. Sony hasn't given a clear answer on the Used games either but I haven't seen this much side stepping since Link in Ocarina of Time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 Sony hasn't said anything to suggest that games are tied to accounts though, whereas MS has said that to play on a second account requires a fee. So as far as PS4 is concerned there's not really anything (other than old, vague rumors) to suggest that used games are a problem, while for Xbone there's a pretty big red flag atm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/22/4355984/xbox-one-backward-compatibility-backwards-thinking-don-mattrick Seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 Assuming it's true that only 5% of players do it (which may be entirely false, I know), the reasoning makes sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 I certainly still wanted to play my Arcade games, which won't be compatible either. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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