Mr. GOH! Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 (edited) If some sort of awesome exclusive were to drop for it (or the PS4 or the Wii U), I'd get it. Most likely late 2014 or later. Most likely is that the current state of cross-plats being available for PS3, 360 and PC will end and there will only be console cross-plats, so I might end up getting an Xbone or PS4 sooner rather than later. I didn't jump on this console generation until Mass Effect and GTA IV dropped. Then again, both of those came to PC belatedly (though the ports were announced after I got the 360). Mister JackYou can get Hulu and Netflix on pretty much any internet enabled device now so who cares. And making a console which caters to the top 20% doesn't seem very forward-thinking to me, especially when those people probably already own something cheaper and better that does all that tv nonsense. But do you have something that does all that, TV, and games? MS is hoping folks want the all-in-one. Even budget gamers get a fantastic gaming machine, as you will see at the E3 presentation. The extra features you won't be using do not make the console any worse. At least that's what MS would say; I'm agnostic about the Xbone. Edited May 23, 2013 by Mr. GOH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 They've already announced Rare is bringing back an old series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 Most likely is that the current state of cross-plats being available for PS3, 360 and PC will end and there will only be console cross-plats Why do you say that? Legitimately curious. The extra features you won't be using do not make the console any worse. Based on my experience with the current Xbox and Kinect, having it connected while watching media does make the experience worse. It frequently interprets gestures as inputs and fucks with your viewing experience when you were just talking with your hands to another viewer. That's ignoring the creepiness of having a microphone always listening. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vecha Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 Yeah...I had to disconnect my kinect because it bothered the fuck out of my on many occasions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 No I don't have something that does all in one, but neither was I asking for such a device. You still need a cable box either way so it really isn't "all in one." And like Ethan said, the kinect just makes things more complicated, not less. People watching the reveal on xbox live were having their consoles tweak out on them because of what the guy on TV was saying. That would be a simple fix were the kinect optional, but it's required for the thing to work at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 @FDS: Rare bringing back a new series could mean Killer Instinct, Jet Force Gemini, even their assortment of pre-64 titles. The chances they'll make Banjo Kazooie with the lack of talent are slim, especially since they already had the chance. Grant Kirkhope, the composer of the first two games, was in Game Grumps and he basically told them that he was part of the team really pushing for Banjo Threeie but that the decision makers at the end decided not enough interest for platformers in the xbox existed. Plus they couldn't think of a way to top previous two games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 Nuts and Bolts was awesome, it was just weird that it had the Banjo Kazooie license. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 I used to love Jet Force Gemini and Killer Instinct. It would be kinda hard to make them relevant again though, considering all the third person shooters and fighting games on the market now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 Actually, since there are so many fighting games now, I can see that as a reason why they would bring back KI. There's a market for it again. Hopefully it's not terribly broken like the old ones though. Given the higher standards people have now I doubt it will be. Also, a fighting game is a great launch title because you get to dump a lot of resources into just two character models onscreen and a background. They could really sell the power of the console that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 Also, a fighting game is a great launch title because you get to dump a lot of resources into just two character models onscreen and a background. They could really sell the power of the console that way. This likely factored into their decision to make Forza a launch title, because racing games are similarly easy to make absolutely breathtaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 @Ethan: Nuts and Bolts was fun, in the building vehicles aspect. But once you sat down and looked at the worlds it was too weird. What the fuck was the point of HUGE levels with lakes and all these demolishing and creatures and beauitul landscapes with absolutely nothing? Theories that these are recycled levels from when the project was gonna be a platformer can't be too far-fetched Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 Meh, the game was great, I don't really care if there was extra, pointless stuff. Doesn't detract from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vecha Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 So...what about the DRM?Could "you" get past that?Personally, if they make it easy to "trade/buy/sale" on their storefront...I might become interested.As well as if they try to make it consumer friendly like steam.Would love to see them evolve with their online marketplace and not leave a game up there for 50 bucks when you can get it for 10 at retail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 My government acquaintance tells me that they're already setting up training for the FBI to pull audio records from the always on kinect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 ...and do what with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoStarr Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 Super fucking stupid fact: Because of some weird copyright stuff, if there were ever another Killer Instinct game it would have to be developed by Rare/Microsoft and published by Nintendo. It's prolly not gonna happen. My government acquaintance tells me that they're already setting up training for the FBI to pull audio records from the always on kinect. "I designed the machine to detect acts of terror but it sees everything. Violent crimes involving ordinary people; people like you. Crimes the government considered.... irrelevant." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 I couldn't get past Microsoft's DRM. It's already limiting and the Juan won't allow self-publishing indie titles. Their mission to control absolutely everything that enters the xbox is a fault. PS+ and Steam have been giving great deals for ages now, Steam is the best example, MS has had the chance to do something like this but they haven't. It is a HUGE disappointment. Steam thrives by competition and, even if denied, a good image of Valve as the developer-next-door. Microsoft would have to give amazing deals for this to work out like it has for Steam but the chances are slim. Their current offerings of old ass games for like twice the amount you could get it used is hurting most of their xbox live prices. You could probably get the majority of those gamers cheaper in other places too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 Steam has self-publishing? Then what the hell is this Greenlight thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 that was more of a comment on sales, sorry for the confusion. But PS4 will be more open with indies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 Most likely is that the current state of cross-plats being available for PS3, 360 and PC will end and there will only be console cross-plats Why do you say that? Legitimately curious. >The extra features you won't be using do not make the console any worse. Based on my experience with the current Xbox and Kinect, having it connected while watching media does make the experience worse. It frequently interprets gestures as inputs and fucks with your viewing experience when you were just talking with your hands to another viewer. That's ignoring the creepiness of having a microphone always listening. I think that because it's what happened the past two generations. I think there are a number of contributing factors. For example, as development costs decrease for the new generation's hardware, developers can put more time into porting; median PC graphics capability in the PC gaming marketplace increases to the point where the market is justified to port from the more powerful new generation consoles (8GB RAM is a lot for most folks still); and there are fewer exclusivity deals with the console makers, or initial exclusivity deals expire. I completely agree with you about the Kinect. Well, I've never used one at a home, so I dunno about how easily it picks up accidental gestures or speech. The always-on camera and mic is cause for serious pause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 I'd be surprised if this didn't essentially become a cable box in it's own right at some point. If Sky expand their internet delivery to all their channels then you won't even need the Sky box. I imagine that all the content providers, Sky, Virgin Media, BT, etc, etc, etc, would be quite happy to not have to make boxes, send out engineers to fit dishes and so forth and instead just sell you an account that allows you to stream content. Their overheads would shrink dramatically. Also, I've heard talk that this is MS last "console". From here on in all upgrades and what not are happening cloud side. It will not be a cable box in the USA, though. Cannot stress that enough. Why not? I'm not talking about at launch. What's to stop MS becoming another Sky or whoever? Isn't the port next to ethernet some sort of cable box input? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 Too small (assuming American cable is the same sockets Virgin uses). I'm actually curious what it is though, it looks like it says "In Out" but surely that can't be it. It also looks like a DC-in, but I'm gonna assume the Xbox logo'd socket next to HDMI Out is the power. Of course nothing stopping the Ethernet port being used for TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 (edited) Thursday: look upthread for a fuller discussion. The long and the short of it is that US cable providers are quasi-monopolies and will not allow MS to function as their front-end, controlling the user experience, unless MS pays a huge amount of money. They make a lot of money from cable box rental fees. They fear the impact of streaming entertainment and don't want to help along their own irrelevance. they are leery of giving third parties information on how to decrypt their digital cable signals. Maybe next generation, if cable TV companies have finally been disrupted by streaming on-demand entertainment. Edit: Just looked at the picture. There's no connector for coaxial cables, which run from the wall to the cable box/TV in the USA. Just the HDMI out and that weird in/out (probably audio of some sort), apparently The lack of any out except HDMI means the Xbone won't work with analog TVs without a weird converter. Makes sense for a console released in this day and age, but I'm sure there are a few people out there who will be upset at this. Edited May 24, 2013 by Mr. GOH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingGerbil Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 could it be the "IR blaster" port that's used to control the cable box? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 could it be the "IR blaster" port that's used to control the cable box? That must be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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