CorgiShinobi Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 (edited) I get what you guys are saying, but how it reads says there will be an actual copy on Cloud. We're talking about taking a physical disc and having the Xbox One make a digital copy (because that's how it plays games). Most likely when you download games from Xbox Live, there won't be a need to have any copy in the Cloud because there will be a record/transaction showing proof of purchase. Thus, just how it works now with PSN and Live, you would just redownload from the service rather than Cloud. The only perk to buying Xbox One discs is the (hypothetical) faster install time. In the end you'll still be left with a useless disc where, even if your console bellies up, there is a copy in the Cloud (EDIT: Because you bought a disc and ripped a copy, not downloaded). So, why buy your games from a retailer now? EDIT2: Now maybe we'll learn that there's an option to not upload ripped copies to Cloud, and discs would then become a physical backup if anything happens to your console. As far as how consoles and game licenses are linked, and what little we know, it wouldn't seem like the more reasonable option (especially if discs are meant to be one-time use). Edited June 10, 2013 by Atomsk88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 (edited) @Atomsk88 You do know that a "Cloud" is not a thing? Like, there's not a 500GB hard drive plugged into a server in an MS office with "Atomsk88's Xbox One Cloud" scrawled on it. "The Cloud" is a concept. When they say "a copy of your game is stored on the Cloud" they mean that on the database that lists all the Xbone accounts and all the Xbone games there is a little tick in a little box that says you are allowed to access [X] game. So when you go to Xbox LIVE it will look at the list and say "Yes, you may download this game". You don't upload the 1s and 0s. That's just mental. EDIT: In other news, the MS payoff stuff will be like it always is with CoD where all adverts will talk about it "coming to Xbox" with no mention of PS. This will just expand to other titles. For example I wouldn't expect to see any PS4 branded FIFA adverts for a while. Though given that Sony is a big partner of FIFA... Well let's just say I have my reservations as to how wise a decision that is. Edited June 10, 2013 by Thursday Next 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 (edited) Not to be rude, but yeah no shit. Dropbox is an example of "cloud" technology, so is Amazon Cloud Player, and so is my PS+ Cloud storage too. Thing is, usually services that offer "Cloud" storage also charge a fee based on capacity, though there tends to be a free storage capacity too. So yes, there isn't a HDD specifically for me or anyone else, but I'm very doubtfully Microsoft is going to give every Xbox One unlimited storage. And if it's going to be just like Xbox Live, why bother saying "in the cloud?" PSN and Live are not cloud services, where a file is uploaded and can be downloaded to different devices. Now, don't just take my side on this, because maybe I'm completely wrong, but wouldn't you say buying a disc just so I can have a "little tick" in a "little box" to download a game is just as mental when you could just stay at home and buy the game for the ticked box? The Xbone is a mental device, and I think everyone has been discussing that online for the last few weeks. Whichever method does come out on top, it's still ridiculous and serves little purpose to influence anyone to use retail. Edited June 10, 2013 by Atomsk88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 They're bothering to say "in the cloud" because it's a hip cool buzzword, when all they should say is digital marketplace. Everyone else is pretty correct, it'll be one copy of the game stored for the millions of users. For every game sold in retail stores or on their digital store MS will have a little "Xbonegame_002.exe" on the cloud. You pop the disc it, it registers to your account (make sure it's your account you're logged into first), and now you've got the disc to install from but also are allowed to download the halo5.exe from the "cloud" too. It's basically exactly the same as Steam in that regard. Pop the Skyrim disc in, it registers to your account, installs from the disc, but if you so want you can download it from Steams servers too. Your Steam cloud storage is used for screenshots and saves, much like how PSN cloud works too. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingGerbil Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 from Mister Jack's link, what does "Paywall for Xbox One." mean? Does it just mean that most functionality will be reserved for GOLD users (as is currently the case)? It will be interesting to see how many of these features will need a subscription. Maybe "cloud features" are a GOLD service, so for example, if you buy a digital download game you can redownload it as a silver user, but only gold users can download games that were originally purchased on disc. Silver users may have to keep the disc if they want to reinstall (which will certainly be an issue on a 500gb HDD). Maybe downloading games on another person's xbox will be for gold users only too as a cloud service. Will all this TV guide stuff be for gold users only? It certainly feels like something that would be GOLD on the current xbox. I'll be interested to see where they make the split. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 Not to be rude, but yeah no shit. Dropbox is an example of "cloud" technology, so is Amazon Cloud Player, and so is my PS+ Cloud storage too. Thing is, usually services that offer "Cloud" storage also charge a fee based on capacity, though there tends to be a free storage capacity too. So yes, there isn't a HDD specifically for me or anyone else, but I'm very doubtfully Microsoft is going to give every Xbox One unlimited storage. And if it's going to be just like Xbox Live, why bother saying "in the cloud?" PSN and Live are not cloud services, where a file is uploaded and can be downloaded to different devices. Now, don't just take my side on this, because maybe I'm completely wrong, but wouldn't you say buying a disc just so I can have a "little tick" in a "little box" to download a game is just as mental when you could just stay at home and buy the game for the ticked box? The Xbone is a mental device, and I think everyone has been discussing that online for the last few weeks. Whichever method does come out on top, it's still ridiculous and serves little purpose to influence anyone to use retail. You know how people say "Am I the only one that thinks... [Joffrey is a pretty cool guy]" and normally they are totally wrong because at least some other people think that way and there's at least three tumblrs to prove it? I think this might just be the exception to that rule. I can't imagine how anyone would think that you would copy a game from a disc and then upload that game to a hard drive... Most people complain about the size of games being prohibitive to download never mind being in Australia and attempting to upload gigs upon gigs of data. I mean, what do you think would happen with an Xbox LIVE purchase? You would download it from the XBL servers, and the upload it to your "Cloud"... Really? I just genuinely don't see how you could think this was a thing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 Yeah, Atomsk88. There's no fucking way they'll be storing an extra digital copy uploaded to the cloud for every copy sold. Shit would be pointless and completely bonkers. Their explanations of cloud functionality are in buzzword-speak to impress the gullible.MS may be foolish, but they're not out of their minds. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 (edited) Also Atomsk there's no way they'd store games in a cloud because yo mama ate the cloud. Cause she so fat son. Edited June 10, 2013 by Waldorf And Statler 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vecha Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 I bet in the future it will be like that...once net speeds/storage costs improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 http://www.dewanddoritos.com/ Whoever is doing their marketing is laughing his way to the bank. Also input one what? One limb, one right of first sale, one human child? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 All in one*. *Except for cable box, router, TV, and AV unit. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 "All in one" makes sense (though I think it should have been "All in One"). But yeah, what the hell is up with "Input one"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 When you select the Source or "Input" they want the Xbone to be in HDMI port 1 hence "Input one". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 Ah, I see. That makes sense now that you say it. However, if your advertising requires explaining like that, it's bad advertising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 (edited) I only know that cos my housemate works for MS. He's been filling me in on the long-term strategy (including becoming a TV content provider, not just a pass through for your cable box). EDIT: It's a daft idea anyway, because Input one will always be my AV unit until a console is released that has 5.1 (or whatever) speaker connections and handles the signal from my cable box, aerial and PC inputs. Otherwise everything will continue to get passed through the AV unit which will go into HDMI 1 on my TV. The best a console can hope for is to be Input one on the AV unit, but it will likely go into whichever port is labelled "GAME". Edited June 10, 2013 by Thursday Next Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 I guess it gets folks talking about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 CONFERENCE STARTING NOW! IMPENDING TRAIN WRECK.Nah, jk bros, I'm keeping an open mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 Just tuned in during World of Tanks segment. My God, does World of tanks looks fucking stupid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 That was the Xbox 360 segment. Ryse onwards is Xbox One games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 World of Tanks looks fucking stupid regardless of the platform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 500 buckaroos. NO THX. No matter how much I jizzed over a new KI, the game I jizzed the most for was Witcher 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 The only game I cared about in that presentation at all was Quantum Break. And Halo 5, but that's not a launch game. Also, I'm with W&S: $500? No thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 They should have left out Kinect and dropped the price to $400. I wish they werent so stubborn about that shit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 I'm hoping this means the PS4 will be cheaper because it doesn't shoehorn a fucking camera into the price. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 Xbox One selling for $499/€499/£429. Which as I've noted elsewhere is $666. Titanfall looked interesting, certainly when you point out it's the same engine as TF2. Also coming to PC. Witcher 3 is...well it's Witcher game so yeah I'll grab that...on PC. So yeah, as I posted in GOH's status post, they're going to be having a lot of games that even if console exclusive to Xbone, will likely still be on PC. @MJ: Yeah PS4 lacking the Kinect camera should reduce the price. But it does have higher end parts inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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