Xbox One

[Mister Jack]

If you think about it though, family sharing would have made it that much easier to never buy new games except maybe once or twice a year, unless all ten people wanted to play multi together. Sharing a disc between ten people is a lot more complicated than sharing a digital license. All you'd have to do then is agree to take turns.

[Eleven]

Yeah. For one thing I could easily share/borrow games in this forum. However, multiplayer games WILL sell. The CoDs and Battlefields, as you want to play with your friends anyway. Single player games? Well, there's piracy anyway. If you argue that piracy raises awareness and leads to more sales, you can't NOT argue that this won't either. People who pirate who pay for it after, will pay for the game after it's been shared to them. If you don't then, well, you're just cheap!

 

The funny thing is, the common argument about file sharing with music, and sometimes games, is that it's the same thing as sharing a physical CD. But apparently when it comes to digital games, and sharing them legally, it's too good of a thing to be true.

 

If what MS saying is true, then the loss of this feature is a huge deal. It may or may not work, but at least they're trying it out (which is good for every consumer). Of course, if it's not, and the pastebin post is true, then that's just sad. And they deserve to be ridiculed and bashed for outright lying to their fans.

Edited June 22, 2013 by eleven

[FredEffinChopin]

They're so full of shit. They break their backs bending backwards to implement measures at the hardware level to ensure that nobody can borrow or resell games, all under pretenses of "THE DEVELOPERS ARE STARVING AND IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT!".... And then say that they were planning on letting you share even more efficiently than you could with discs any day... Until the evil gamers FORCED them to take it away. Spare me. Which one was it? Was sharing the plague of the industry, or were you aiming to make purchasing brand new games even less necessary than it was with your new infrastructure? If they really wanted to facilitate the process of game sharing that badly they'd have simply stayed the fuck out of it in the first place. That's not what they were going for, at all.

 

Pardon the hostility. I'm just getting even more annoyed with them now that they've (partially....) reversed everything that they were pretending was too essential and too far along to reverse. I've been giving them the slightest benefit of doubt in the back of my mind, and still give them a very, very tiny bit... I thought maybe they actually thought they were trying to achieve something beneficial for gamers... But really, I'm pretty sure they tried to be the dictators of the way console business is done, and they used their extremely dedicated fan base deceptively in an attempt to achieve it (and made a lot of them look like fools for a while, as they went out and apologized, theorized, and rationalized on MS' behalf). All the talk about their visions of this idealized Utopia of console gaming rang kind of hollow at best, under even minor scrutiny (especially given the fact that they seem detached enough to still believe that Kinect is the best thing to happen to consoles since shoulder buttons, and that all gamers really want is more sports, and cable with sports...), and sounded like the Rapture of gaming societies at worst. A bunch of bullshit wrapped in buzzwords that is supposed to distract people from realizing that they're being forcefully rushed into this fake "future" that they didn't ask for. I guess future is an appropriate word for what they had in mind though... As in it doesn't make sense in the present. Will we all do things purely digitally in the future? It's likely . If/when we do, though, it'll be because it came about naturally, meaning that the market adapted with the consumers. This was a case of the market trying to force something down the consumers' throats, and the consumers vomiting on their shirts in return, and punching them in the face to express gratitude for the favor.

 

They weren't taken aback by the sentiment though, just the severity of it. They knew they were being shitty, and doing their fans dirty. Now they want to sit around and act like "Woah, we thought you would love all this, but we're listening to you, and we see that you don't!", but they knew what they were doing every step of the way. I guess that's what I really find so galling about the whole thing, especially now that people are treating them like heroes. 

[Baconrath]

It's nice that despite the backpedaling it's still going to be like 1984 in a box.

[Vecha]

I don't see why they can't still have the "family sharing" with their digital storefront. 

For fuck's sake...if the "infrastructure" was/is there...enable it for the digital side of things.

That way...it would entice people to maybe, maybe, start to see the positives of digital-only for games.

Also, don't shut off the 360 side of things until a couple of decades down the road.(Edit: Or, until no one is using it.) 

Edited June 22, 2013 by Vecha

[Waldorf and Statler]

I think my issue is that now that I'm in the opposing party, I'm starting to see old friends for the fanboys that they are. Seuss wrote a TAY in Kotaku that caused quite a stir-up where he claimed Microsoft is actually the victor now.

[Mister Jack]

Victor over what?  Sony?  I highly doubt that.  Even if they eventually did the right thing, people aren't going to forget that they intended to do this in this first place.  Even now, people (even on this forum) are wondering if their reversal is actually just a bait and switch.  

[Vecha]

I think my issue is that now that I'm in the opposing party, I'm starting to see old friends for the fanboys that they are. Seuss wrote a TAY in Kotaku that caused quite a stir-up where he claimed Microsoft is actually the victor now.

I saw that too.

 

He raved on and one about how MS had the better games, right?

 

And how his opinion is "fact."

 

Whenever you find yourself in an argument with someone where you are trying to defend whatever you said as a fact...and that "fact" isn't in a dictionary/encyclopedia, it's time to take a break. 

[deanb]

I have him on Twitter. Been a few fun weeks.

[WTF]

TN I mean purely in the spec market sense. Until about a couple or so weeks ago (sometime late May), I wouldn't have advised investing in EA. The games business isn't the best to invest in anyway but EA wasn't something I would've invested at the start of the year. Say what you want about Activision but they are the only games pub/dev that has been consistently profitable in the past generation. The trends don't look like they're changing either.

 

As for Seuss, he's been so pro Xbox even back in the day when I was on Kotaku, I'd just ignored what he said. He wasn't neutral - it's hard to have a proper discussion, I see him around Gaf in the same way. He's about as bad as my friend who's a die-hard MS fan and consistently is bullish about MS even when the signs pointed to doing a quick short.

Ah stocks and trades.

[Mr. GOH!]

DocSeuss drives me up the fucking wall. But he has brain damage, and is better than everyone else in the world, despite not having a job or prospects and having fucking debilitating brain damage.

 

Nobody knows which one has won yet. I suspect the Xbone will sell quite well. I also suspect the PS4 will sell well.

 

What we do have is a loser; the Wii U.

[TheMightyEthan]

For what it's worth, last weekend (before the reversal) my CoD-playing dudebro cousin, who only owns a 360, was telling me how retarded it would be to get an Xbone, and why you should definitely get a PS4 instead.

 

I'm guessing that's the demographic that made them change their tune.

[Vecha]

DocSeuss drives me up the fucking wall. But he has brain damage, and is better than everyone else in the world, despite not having a job or prospects and having fucking debilitating brain damage.

 

 

 

I'm not doing so hot this morning...

 

Is this sarcasm...or does he really, really have brain damage.

 

Poor fella. 

[Waldorf and Statler]

Sounds like an insult to me lol. Maybe he does though I've never asked.

[Mr. GOH!]

He says he does. He is not shy about it. Or wasn't, back in the day in chat. He made it sound both debilitating and like it made him smarter than everyone else in the universe.

[Hot Heart]

It would explain a lot.

[Vecha]

He says he does. He is not shy about it. Or wasn't, back in the day in chat. He made it sound both debilitating and like it made him smarter than everyone else in the universe.

That sounds like some kind of manic disorder...

[WTF]

Oh yeah Seuss did have some thing, I didn't realise it was brain damage. As Goh said he was pretty open about his issue, he brought it up multiple times. He's also a designer or an artist if memory serves me right. But yeah he does act like he's smarter than everyone else. He also brought up his sexuality a fair few times if memory serves me right. He always did love to share.

 

Normally people don't rub me the wrong way but him and someone else on Kotaku back in the day really ticked me off, of course I don't really show it.

 

As for the topic, MS will be fine so long as they can reverse some of the brand damage. PS4 just needs to keep its momentum. I suppose Gamescom and TGS are going to be deciding grounds since they haven't revealed the projects of their other studios. I think all that's happened is that we won't see a PS2 generation but I still suspect the PS4 to do better than MS due to MS only targeting 21 markets at the start and the negative PR plus the price difference. MS just seems all over the place, unfocussed and confused. It's like someone just pulled the rug from under their feet and they're desperately scrambling.

 

I would like them to do alright. As it stands now I'll get one in 2014.

[Waldorf and Statler]

lol sounds like both a blessing and a curse. He's not necessarily smarter. Eloquent? Yes.

[Thursday Next]

Xbox and PS4 will both sell really well. It'll be a close run thing this gen. I agree, and I believe have said myself that if MS really wanted to do all this game sharey stuff they could have done it with just digital. Making retail the poor cousin with a reduced feature set would have done loads to increase digital revenue over retail. It wouldn't make Gamestop love them any more, but you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

[Waldorf and Statler]

I still don't see MS being the Digital gaming hero that ushers the new era. I see them as someone taking advantage of the system once somebody else has done it. Let's be honest Microsoft is at their best when they follow the footsteps of someone else. Once somebody else introduces a digital console [say for example the supposed Steambox] and gets gamers to accept the idea of an all digital console Microsoft can swoop in and offer a console of their own. If they're the only ones doing an all digital console it would have been disastrous because they're actually competitive when they have an actual competition.

[Baconrath]

I wonder how long it will be until someone circumvents all the drm via modding.

[TheMightyEthan]

Well at this point it doesn't have any DRM that the current gen consoles don't have, does it?  At least as far as we know.

[Mister Jack]

Circumvent the fucking Kinect then because that shit sucks.

[TheMightyEthan]

THAT I would be all in favor of.

 

*Edit* - Someone should develop a little dongle that plugs into the Kinect port and just sends a fake signal of an empty, silent room, so the Xbone thinks Kinect is plugged in but it's just not picking up anything.

Edited June 24, 2013 by TheMightyEthan