madbassman39 Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 This was on Joystiq today http://www.joystiq.com/2011/11/09/rumor-next-xbox-to-be-windows-powered-going-apple-route/ As far as having Windows 9, I say not likely. The different cores for different processes sounds like a neat idea, but will ruin the main reason why the Xbox is as successful as it is today with games, which is being a nearly identical inside as a modern computer. The integration between Windows Phone 7, Windows 8 and the next Xbox is almost a "DUH" statement. In a matter of weeks the Xbox dashboard is going to look like Windows 8 with their metro design, Windows Phone 7 is going to have an integration with the Xbox with remote control, and the 360 already has integration with a Windows 7 PC. By the end of the 360's life span, it will be entirely integrated with the windows phone 7 and Windows on your PC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 One of the rumors has it launching in 2012, but I don't see that happening. If it launched in 2012 it would have to launch around holiday, and they already have Halo 4 launching on the 360 holiday 2012. I really doubt they'd launch the 720 right around the same time they're launching a Halo game on the 360. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 The "it'll use something Metro" is a bit a of "well durr" since MS are making it the default UI across all devices, including the 360. The "it'll run ARM with Win 9" is a "haha, yeah right". ARM is a minimal power processor. ARM is what you put in phones, tablets, Vitas. Not full blown consoles. Unless you want to fully blow your launch. Thurrot is playing it safe (extremely so, 360 already ties with MCE on PCs and has Silverlight, it's a bit like predecting the PS4 will have a dualshock controller) However I'll disagree with Madbass in regards to the multi-cores for different things being a bad idea. If you have dedicated cores to set tasks (And they don't all need to be equal, just small co-processors like the AA chip on the 360 already) it would help make a tougher console, though of course you're fucked if you don't give a shit about AI but want more physics. But if you've got a beefy main processor that can take on the load of whatever you want most. If they get too close to PCs (I know many people who skip a 360 purely because of the huge overlap between the 360 library and PC) then it bites into the Xbox sales. (Especially with publishers like EA making fairly huge moves into PC (it gives them more control than acting through the MS middleman) If MS can go "well develoeprs we offer a piece of hardware specifically tailored to the processing needs of a game, not a general purpose CPU for all tasks". And if they can keep their API n SDK strong so that it can still have easy porting between MS paltforms while taking advantage of the theoretical Xbox 720 fancy processor set-up it makes it more appealing. Could also extend the life of the console significantly. It's kinda the same set-up Sony tried with the PS3 this gen, more cores than needed, make em flexible enough so should physics or AI or something win out then the extra cores on the SPU are there to support the developer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocSeuss Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 The thing that gets me is that they talk about Silverlight, which is kinda... dying. Win8 doesn't even use it, so I'm guessing the nextbox won't have integrated silverlight, as awesome as that would be. "though of course you're fucked if you don't give a shit about AI but want more physics." That assumes you can't use the cores for whatever you want, though. It's most likely that they'll HAVE the cores, but won't limit them to specific tasks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madbassman39 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I like the idea of multi-cores, it would make a neat system, but like the PS3 today, programming for it, I assume, wont be as easy as it is with the current Xbox and most modern computers. I could very well be wrong, as I have never really done any programming, but that always seems to be the excuse dev's use for the PS3 at the moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 At the moment? You mean 3-4 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Yeah dude pretty much every current PC uses 2-6 cores, and the Xbox has 3. The PS3 was a pain due to a combination of coming out with 8-cores way before anything else had that many(in standard use) and it's completely different architecture with the Cell. It's not as much of a problem now since folks are used to it. Just a case of shaking out the old single-core programmers with fresh blood that can handle multi-core programming. @DocSeuss: You kinda missed the opening part "If you have dedicated cores to set tasks.." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madbassman39 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Well It seems that developers have learned on the PS3, and there were always companies that excelled on the PS3 (Naughty Dog) but Multi-platform games tend to run better on the Xbox than they do on the PS3. Its less and less these days, but that maybe due to the fact that the Xbox uses Direct X to run which has been known and used for a long time now. If it is no problem to program for, then I am wrong in assuming it could be a potentially bad move. Honestly the PS3 has produced my favorite games this generation (the Uncharted series headlining), so if what was learned from that system can be incorporated into the next Xbox, then we can have a spectacular system. I just hope its affordable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 360 versions usually looked better as they were made on 360 then ported across. The companies that excelled on PS3 were usually first party studios doing exclusives (and thus able to use all 7 cores instead of jsut three), or the few studios that made the game for PS3 then ported to 360. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madbassman39 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Ah, I've heard that before. I'm sorry, it seems my last maybe 15 posts or so on the entire forum has made me seem less thoughtful. I should spend more time researching before I say anything. Still the Metro theme is almost a guarantee for the NeXtbox (ooh see what I did there? I think that has redeemed me!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope V2 Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 This is underwhelming news if true. http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/01/24/xbox-720-will-be-six-times-as-powerful-as-current-gen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 I'm not exactly expecting them to put a HD7950 in there. Kinda sucks it's only expected to be 20% more than the Wii U (cos that means they will be close enough that the Wii U might become the lowest denominator between the three for multi-plats unlike the moment where the Wii was so far behind the PS3 and 360 it got its own versions). Of course at the moment it's all rumour and speculation. Still with how things are heating up it does seem that this E3 will see the showing off of at least either the next Xbox or the PS4 (if not both). But if it's not expected until 2013 it's going to suck if the chips are 2 years out of date before it even comes out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope V2 Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 Yeah, more curious to see than the actual cpu and gpu is going to be control, content delivery and media conncetions. This generation really pushed consoles to the "set top box" market far faster than anyone thought and I wonder just what exactly the new consoles will be focused on besides games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 Those numbers don't add up for me. 6 times the performance of the 360, but only 20% better than WiiU? So the WiiU will be 5x the 360? Then why are people acting like the WiiU is more or less equivalent to PS360? It seems like if the WiiU was that much better than PS360 Nintendo would be saying that, rather than just saying it can play the same games as the PS360. As for the specs being old, remember that you can eek a lot more out of a console than you can out of a PC with similar specs because you can optimize the hell out of the code for the console. Also we're running into some pretty seriously diminishing returns with graphics now, so I don't see the old tech there being all that big a deal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDex Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 As for the specs being old, remember that you can eek a lot more out of a console than you can out of a PC with similar specs because you can optimize the hell out of the code for the console. Also we're running into some pretty seriously diminishing returns with graphics now, so I don't see the old tech there being all that big a deal. This. The 6xxx series isn't exactly a slouch when it comes to graphics either so if it's around the same it should be decent. I think the real test of the potential of the next consoles and the effect they'll exert on advancement will be in the memory and CPU department. If the graphical output is decent yet limited but the memory and general processing power is great, we should be in for some fantastic games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope V2 Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 See, I'd have been less suprised if it was a 6870 or a 6850 even but the 6670 is pretty far down on the heirarch sheet. On par with a Geforce 8800 GTS 512 according to Tom's Hardware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 I think more useful than just hierarchical rankings is actual benchmarking. According to Passmark, the 6670 has about 1/3 the capability of the GTX 580, the best card ranked. That's not just terrible, especially when you consider what they're able to do with the old-ass tech in the 360. The 360's graphics card is about equivalent to an X1800. Try running Mass Effect PC on that card and see if you can get it to look anywhere near as good as it does on the 360. You're always going to get way more mileage out of equipment in a console than you will in a PC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope V2 Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 (edited) Well, also keep in mind that most of those games on the Xbox are running at a sub HD resolution with minimal AA and AF. I don't like synthetic benchmarks. If you want to check charts I like the combined frame charts. http://www.tomshardw...Index,2674.html In a those results it still shows about 33% of the performacne of a 6950 and closer to 1/4 the power of a GTX 580. Edited January 25, 2012 by Yantelope V2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 I really do hope the rumors about used games is false. The majority [like 95%] of the disc-games I play are through gamefly. If used games are a no no, then rentable games are pretty much in the same league of getting fucked over. Not to mention that the gamer tradition of lending/borrowing games will be all but then. I'm literally going to see what the ps4 has to offer if the 6x graphics thing is true. I don't use xbox live nearly as much to warrant paying 60 a year, besides downloading games [which either ways it's free in the PS]. Halo is the only thing keeping me even remotely interested in the xbox brand. By the time the next consoles come out, the difference in perceived quality between the PSN and XBL will be practically gone. Xbox has been moving towards the appliance thing than a game console [tv, video downloads, apps all this shit regular appliances have]. While nice for people who can afford all these services, I don't find a use for them so literally all I have is the games. And with the majority of them being multiplat, this isn't looking good for MS. I WANT a reason to stay with you Microsoft. The great selection of XBLA was a nice touch, but I am not gonna move on to your next console solely to play arcade games. If Kingdoms of Amalur becomes a series, I won't have a need for Fable [which is a decent exclusive, not mindblowing]. Alan Wake is not technically exclusive so unless you buy Remedy... Gears of War is great but again, unless Epic has some recently-shown loyalty to the point where all their new ips go to you exclusively, I don't see them choosing sides. If the new Playstation is once again much more powerful than the nextbox, I'm afraid I'm gonna have to switch sides again for the first time since the ps1. Free online multiplayer, about just as many sweet arcade games, [expecting] much better graphics, and not to mention all the first party developers and exclusive ip's sony has been building this generation. Not to mention all my close friends having a ps3 over a 360. Please don't be completely overshadowed either in software or hardware by sony. With your lack of exclusives, all you would have riding for you is to be either much much cheaper or much much more powerful. Do something. Rant over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope V2 Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 Oh snap, I forgot about gamefly, they might be pissed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 Their entire business is fucked. Gamestop and video game stores will survive with console. hardware, and even the small percentage of new game sales. Sure it'll be a HUGE drop and they'll probably have to lay off some people, but they'll survive. Gamefly on the other hand must be shitting in its pants right now. They have a safe bet with the Wii U, and whether this rumor is true and sony says they will either not follow or follow MS, will decide whether gamefly and the other renting companies get shafted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope V2 Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 I always get suckered into buying good games regardless of how crapy the makers are being. See Battlefield 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 Those numbers don't add up for me. 6 times the performance of the 360, but only 20% better than WiiU? So the WiiU will be 5x the 360? Then why are people acting like the WiiU is more or less equivalent to PS360? It seems like if the WiiU was that much better than PS360 Nintendo would be saying that, rather than just saying it can play the same games as the PS360. They were showing off PS3 and 360 games in their "Third party support" because the PS4 and NeXbox aren't out yet. It has been stated to be a fair bit more oomph than the current gen stuff though, just no quantifiable amount atm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredEffinChopin Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) I really hope the used game rumor is false. As a person who hasn't owned either XBox, there wasn't the strongest possibility of me buying the next one to begin with, though I won't say the possibility is or was nonexistent. If it's possible in one camp though, it's possible in all, and Sony embraced the online pass as the norm for all first-party titles, so I don't put this kind of nonsense past them at all. It's 100% PC time at that point. In the event that Sony, MS, and Nintendo all do something similar that is, as unlikely as it might seem at this point in time. Whichever consoles remain traditional in their treatment of physical copies of games are the consoles I will choose from if only one or two of these companies get silly. However, combined with the news of Netflix ditching their game rental plans, the integration of XBL into Windows 8, and the email I got from Direct2Drive last week notifying me of their merging with and being integrated into Gamefly, it looks like things may possibly wind up being so drastically different during the next console gen that the options won't be as clearly defined as I believe most people assume it will be. If this news (about the XBox and used games) is true, I think there are some very interesting times ahead. Especially so for Gamefly and brick & mortar retailers. Edited January 26, 2012 by FredEffinChopin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Gamefly is awesome. I love it like the brother I never had Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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