Faiblesse Des Sens Posted March 10, 2012 Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 Windows 8 is an unsound decision? Yeah... you wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted March 10, 2012 Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 (edited) Oh don't get me wrong - it's fine on the consumer side (probably) and it probably is sound for Microsoft but Microsoft's bread and butter comes from corporate businesses. In fact consumer division including Xbox only accounts for less than 20% of their revenue. Edit for full disclosure: I do have a vested interest in seeing Microsoft succeed. I know at least 25 people working in middle to senior positions there 4 of whom were classmates. I own some stock in the company (so of course I want to see them profit but I'd like Apple, TWX and GOOG to succeed as well). I have friends who are part of MSDN, paid for by their companies and investment banker friends who are heavily invested in them. And for the record Office365 is actually quite practical in the professional space and is something that I could recommend companies who want to stick with MS Office as for a yearly fee it prevents them from facing the constant upgrades. Also to note: MS has done a lot of things good but they do not have a clear strategy with Windows and it needs to be rectified. Windows 8 could be good for consumers but it currently faces an identity crisis and is not going to be released in this version at least from inside sources. However the version in plan for corporates is significantly eh and lol not all my friends who worked at MS worked on great projects either. One of them was working on Longhorn which we know how it turned out, however he left them for Motorola (Which turned out to be interesting to say the least). I'm just saying what I know based on well their rumblings and this was about a month ago. I can criticise their decisions which don't seem ideal. Also to note: While MS would want to continue on with their Xbox business as it is highly successful they have much more interesting things planned outside of the console space and like they said they could terminate XBLA if they thought it wasn't profitable anymore. Edited March 10, 2012 by WTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnstableArk Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 http://www.computerandvideogames.com/343191/next-xbox-to-boast-ridiculously-powerful-16-core-cpu/ So this was interesting, but is obviously full of shit. Rumors say that the next Xbox is going to come fully loaded with a 16-core IBM PowerPC processor and a GPU of the Radeon HD-7000 architecture. This is obviously not true. For one, that kind of tech isn't even available for high-end PCs, and AMD only released the 1st 16-core business class processor a year ago, so the likelihood that a game console is going to use brand new processing tech in a console is ridiculous. Even if it were true, can you imagine how insanely expensive that'll make the damn machine? Games don't even utilize quad-cores(current games use 2 cores at most), so 14 cores are just going to sit there uselessly. But hey, spec rumors are flying out, so they always make for interesting reads and speculations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 so the likelihood that a game console is going to use brand new processing tech in a console is ridiculous. ...wait, what the hell was Cell technology then? Even if it were true, can you imagine how insanely expensive that'll make the damn machine? I don't know man, maybe it'll be 600 US DOLLARS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnstableArk Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 ...wait, what the hell was Cell technology then? You got me there, but it was still expensive then... But even now, most games on the PS3 and the 360 don't utilize the full processing capabilities, so bumping it up to 16 cores is just silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 I agree on that. I don't see this happening. Call me a cynic but I don't see any of these companies going for powerhouse consoles next-generation and taking big losses on the hardware. Small losses, yes, but not big ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 I hope that's true. I like it when the consoles are a fair way behind PCs because then it means I can build a PC that easily maxes out multiplat games for a very reasonable price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 At least this one gets the damn architecture right. 8-core would sound reasonable. Pretty decent jump up from the tri-core of the 360 without being too silly a jump. The reasoning, i.e "Kinect 2 could use whole cores" seems silly, since I'd reckon in a Kinect 2 they'll probably go back with the original plans and put the chip back inside the Kinect itself. Though maybe the Devkit is powered by that, if only to be more powerful than the base machine to let em run code better or something. I can't imagine devkit machines for PSP only had a 333mhz CPU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 ...wait, what the hell was Cell technology then? You got me there, but it was still expensive then... But even now, most games on the PS3 and the 360 don't utilize the full processing capabilities, so bumping it up to 16 cores is just silly. Is that really true? What are the reasons? I've always assumed this was just shoddy work by devs unfamiliar with either system. But I think they've maxed out on it's uses... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 I'm pretty sure most games these days are using the full processing power of the consoles. There's still areas of optimisation that can be potentially utilised but you'd have to be a silly dev to have your game not use all the power available, especially when games are struggling to churn out reasonable FPS n resolutions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnstableArk Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Well, I speak mostly for PC games, I'm honestly not sure if the 360 has games that uses all 3 cores. I do know that the grand majority of PC games try to limit themselves to 2 cores at a time. Using more tends to be problematic and strenuous on the processor, since it has to use more effort to synchronize the operations from each core. Using too many will cause sync issues and bottlenecks the processing. So, processors usually handle work between 2-3 cores while the GPU does most of the heavy stuff. The remaining cores tend to pick up the slack on background programs running. Again, I only speak from a PC standpoint, so I can't say this is completely accurate for consoles. And I would assume that 1st party devs have more control over the specs of their platform than any 3rd party dev out there. Pretty sure that's why the 1st party titles look gorgeous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted June 4, 2012 Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 So I guess we'll take that as a no on the whole 8th Gen Xbox front for this year then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 4, 2012 Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 Was that still a thing? I thought that Halo 4 being announced for 360 this fall kinda torpedoed any chances of them releasing the 720 before next fall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 Rumored X720 document: http://www.joystiq.com/2012/06/16/rumor-xbox-720-doc-leak/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomTervo Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Rumored X720 document: http://www.joystiq.com/2012/06/16/rumor-xbox-720-doc-leak/ Yeah, after reading and assessing countless comments on forums and news sites, the word on the street seems to be that this document is real, just obsolete; the state of affairs from mid-2010 when they published this document. There are other important facets to their plan which aren't documented here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Still gives interesting insight though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vecha Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 Really wish MS would have given out at least substantial hints at this past E3. Just..something. A 2 year old document ain't cuttin' it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 (edited) Even if they do, their new focus seems to be everything Kinect based. I don't want to say casual but.... yeah. Edited June 30, 2012 by Waldorf And Statler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 They're moving in with the final phase of their ultimate battle plan, which was a multimedia Microsoft PC in your living room. They wanted that back with the original Xbox, though at most it'd rip CDs and I think maybe stream over the network. Now you have multiple options to control the TV without having to use a gaming controller, in Kinect n Smartglass (And the remote if you have it), and it pulls in video from a wide variety of sources. And it plays games too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 Wait it plays games? Wow-wee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocSeuss Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 I think the thing that everyone's ignoring is Fortaleza. They're working on creating a fucking holodeck. Does no one see this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madbassman39 Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 (edited) Rumor floating around is you may be able to get a next Xbox for $99 if you sign up with a two year contract with specified cable companies. I think its a brilliant idea but I may be in the minority, if I'm going to get cable Tv, and a new xbox why not get rid of the box rental fee and lower my xbox price tag at the same time? Edited July 1, 2012 by madbassman39 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 They wanted that back with the original Xbox, though at most it'd rip CDs and I think maybe stream over the network. Nah, it could only stream over a network if you modded it and put a media app on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 http://majornelson.com/2013/01/02/countdown-to-e3-2013/ Since I think this is the only thread relevant to Major Nelson starting an E3 countdown more than half a year ahead of time. Doubt it's for Kinectimals 2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 You'll eat your words when it's Viva Pinata 3: Pinata Boogaloo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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