deanb Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6322428/ea-explains-steam-store-absences So if I'm reading this right Valve pulled Crysis 2 because EA wouldn't sell DLC or update Crysis 2 through Steam. Isn't part of the point of Steam to let you do that? At least on the update thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted July 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 It's more that EA doesn't want Valve to own consumers of EA content to the exclusion of EA. EA wants to be able to sell DLC to consumers who own their products directly, without having to go through a third party (and therefore having to pay them). On the flip side, Valve don't want EA to deal direct to consumer, cos then Valve miss out on "their" slice of the DLC pie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Since most EA games require some kind of EA account (or a subsidiary) it's not like EA are totally cut off from their consumers. And given that Steam has been around for a fair while now and it's update system too (since that's what it was originally built for) it shouldn't really be a surprise to EA that when they go "hey we want to circumvent your patching system" that the answer is EA re just taking a hugely unnecessary gamble in what seems to be some alpha male bullshit with one of their Partner studios. Sure EA have BF3, and it's worth half a dozen aces up their sleeves, the problem is that Steam owns the pack of cards and the factory it was made in. Steam has 30million+ users, several dozen publishers and a few thousand games. If EA start making it so that buying an EA game through Steam becomes a pain with having to go through Origin to get your DLC and updates, they're not going to be the ones that come out looking good in this spat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4: Gritty Reboot Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 I read that Old Republic will be an exclusive: now this seems like a bad choice to me. TOR is a gamble anyway, as is any MMO going up against the likes of WoW, and to add the hurdle of not being able to get it through Steam just seems foolish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnine Tenshi Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 I read that Old Republic will be an exclusive: now this seems like a bad choice to me. TOR is a gamble anyway, as is any MMO going up against the likes of WoW, and to add the hurdle of not being able to get it through Steam just seems foolish. If I was a Star Wars/Bioware fan, I would be pretty bothered right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hocking Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 I read that Old Republic will be an exclusive: now this seems like a bad choice to me. Agreed and seriously considering not picking up ToR at all, with that in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4: Gritty Reboot Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Er... http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-07-08-mass-effect-3-exclusive-origin-version Someone in the comments points out that they're offering a "digital lithograph," which is just pants-on-head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/35703/EAs_DeMartini_Its_Never_Been_About_Facing_Off_With_Steam.php http://www.battlefield.com/battlefield3/1/bf3-digital-retailers It gets harder and harder to believe EA that their not going after Steam at all when they do stuff like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgamemnonV2 Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Like I said at the start, this just reinforces my current modus operandi to just pirate all EA games just to be safe. I'm not sure why EA likes being complete idiots--maybe they're just trying to steal the limelight back away from Bobby "I fire employees when they are being sexually harassed" Kotick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4: Gritty Reboot Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/35703/EAs_DeMartini_Its_Never_Been_About_Facing_Off_With_Steam.php http://www.battlefield.com/battlefield3/1/bf3-digital-retailers It gets harder and harder to believe EA that their not going after Steam at all when they do stuff like this. It's unbelievable that they keep putting that line out there. If I open a convenience store across the street from another convenience store, I'm competing, regardless of how much I refuse to acknowledge it. And they're being doubly competitive by trying to pull their games off of Steam, whether in a roundabout way or directly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luftwaffles Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 It's one thing to make BF3 an "Origin Exclusive" and sell it only on Origin, but to sell it on pretty much every single other digital store except Steam just makes it painfully obvious they're targeting Valve and Steam directly. I'll probably still buy BF3 eventually, but I highly doubt it'll be a day one buy or preorder for me. Hell, I'll probably buy it when it goes on Steam and will probably have to buy the Karkand DLC separately. Damn it, EA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 (edited) In another shocking move EA announces that BF3 requires Origin. http://www.rockpaper...require-origin/ We really are going to be running 30 DRM Distribution clients on our computers by next year. from destructoid: "This is in addition to requiring Battlelog in order to properly enjoy the game's online features. Welcome to the era of single games requiring multiple downloadable services." Edited August 12, 2011 by Yantelope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 I already posted on the BF thread, but not yet put my thoughts down on the forum yet. It just seems really bonkers. There is, from what I can currently tell, absolutely zero reason to require Origin in order to play BF3. For all intents and purposes Origin has no ties whatsoever with BF3. You can say a Valve game requires Steam, but it requires Steam because it uses it for it's server browser, achievements etc. Origin is a store, download client and chat client. Battlefield 3 uses none of those functions. If you've bought it on disc you don't need to download it, the game launches from the battlelog site and the chat is it's own in-game system. Which is really where Origin falls apart: It does nothing for the games. It's a download client and that's about it. It has no other functions beyond that and little to tie it with any of the games it's being forced with. Considering EA own's pretty much all the games on it you'd think they'd make some effort to tie Origin in with their games. It's a true case of cutting off your nose to spite your face. Locking off potentially half of the PC market in order to promote a service the game doesn't actually use. Origin is the gaming equivalent of an Appendix. It does nothing and it might one day kill you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDex Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 Origin is the gaming equivalent of an Appendix. It does nothing and it might one day kill you. Quote of the day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luftwaffles Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 EA announces that BF3 requires Origin. In other news, cats go "meow" and cows say "moo". Well, there goes the last bit of hope I had for BF3 on Steam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 I just don't get why EA/DICE just couldn't come out and say it. Technically they still haven't. The only reason we know this is cos someone went n tweeted to the community manager, there's still no official "Requires Origin to play". Checking some of the stores they've obviously not told anyone selling the game yet since it's still missing the "requires 3rd party download"/"must have an Origin Account" disclaimer. It's not technical, it's political. They've weighed the pros n cons of tying it to Origin, and given the limited/non-existent entanglement it's not something that would directly affect the game much either way. It's most likely just a recent decision, hence them not really having much of a solid word until now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 I find it hard to believe that it's a coincidence that this news comes shortly after it was confirmed that BF3 will not be on steam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 In other Origin news a guest post by @RockyRan http://www.pressxordie.com/2011/08/12/guest-eas-newest-platform/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDex Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 Well said, RockyRan. Just as an aside, What are you're opinions on the domino effect that the success of Origin could bring about, i.e. Ubisoft, Activision, et al, doing the same thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4: Gritty Reboot Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 Origin is the gaming equivalent of an Appendix. It does nothing and it might one day kill you. Quote of the day. May not be entirely true though. http://en.wikipedia....Immune_function Still, quote of the day indeed. It's a true case of cutting off your nose to spite your face. Locking off potentially half of the PC market in order to promote a service the game doesn't actually use. Exactly this. Everybody pointing out that Valve also forced Steam on HL2 is ignoring the fact that Valve did not pull the game from retailers, who were still a major player at that point. What EA is doing is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 I think I will reserve my main comment about the article in the article to give it more life but... I got to say (A bit out of topic), a toned down Rocky is a very pleasant read. Not to say it was bad to read all the strong opinions that Rocky and others have to say in this forums. Its more surprising or something like that. In other words: I read stuff in different tones depending on the person. Everyone has their own tone. Rocky just showed a tone I did not expect to see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 All complaining aside, Origin attachment probably isn't going to affect my decision to purchase BF3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 Same here but it sure as hell killed whatever motivation I had for a 1st day purchase. I need it to go at least 50% before I jump... unless something awesome comes up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luftwaffles Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 All complaining aside, Origin attachment probably isn't going to affect my decision to purchase BF3. Because you'll get it for xbox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 All complaining aside, Origin attachment probably isn't going to affect my decision to purchase BF3. Because you'll get it for xbox? Haha, no, because I love good games enough to jump through hoops to play them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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