deanb Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Given how all the other bastards were treated I can't see that being the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomTervo Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 The Bolton bastard has been treated pretty well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 I meant as in how all the other Robert basterds were treat by Robert. Usually left with the mum. Also assumedly all were listed in some way, hence the massacre n Ed chasing up on them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Robert's dead, who cares how he treated them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnine Tenshi Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEQnwF4yoWI 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 I'm maybe not explaining myself clearly. I'm not talking about how Robert Treat his bastards, I'm talking about how Roberts bastards ere treated. As in like..by GRR Martin. Jon Snow being a Robert bastard doesn't quite fit in with how we've had all the other Robert bastards portrayed. It would be weird to have the rest all in various places around Kings Landing, then one just sent off with Ned post-war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Oh, I see what you mean. It would kind of make sense though if Jon's mother were killed or something, and if he were the first one. And Ned could say this one kid is actually my bastard, happened while we were at war, but he can't do that for a never-ending stream of kids from King's Landing, especially since he's not even in King's Landing to be fathering them. And he does have the "hair of black" that was so signature of Robert's line. The other theory you posted above I don't think works as well due to the hair color. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) Just catching up here. Jon is 100% not Robert's bastard. There'd be no reason for that. He does have King's Blood, as the Starks were kings for thousands of years so he gets that from his Reveal hidden contents mother's side (or via Ned, as far as Melisandre is concerned) and his father was Rhaegar Targaryen, the Mad King's eldest son. This theory is almost 100%, the only way it doesn't happen is if GRRM gets pissed that everyone's figured it out and changes course, but if he was going to do that, he probably would have already as this isn't a new theory. Never mind the fact that this season was also hinting towards it, with the conversation Sansa and Little Finger had about Rhaegar, and the scene where Maester Aemon and Sam Tarly were chatting about Danny being the last of the Targaryen's and then the camera panned up revealing Jon standing in the room. Could have been coincidence but I doubt it. Don't worry too much about the TV show adaption, in the books, Jon is described as looking very much like Arya, who is described as looking like Lyanna, Ned's sister. In the Song of Ice and Fire universe it seems like children can take on the traits on either side of their family, so for instance, Rob and Sansa look much more Tully and Arya and Jon have very Stark based features. For the Baratheon line, it appears everyone in that family was "black of hair" but that's never been 100% for all the other families. Plus never mind that in the TV show Shireen Baratheon, who is certainly an actual Baratheon, had brown hair. This video explains everything better than I can: This guy's videos are fantastic, I recommend watching all of them. There are indeed ways for Jon's parentage to become known: (One minor season 6 spoiler) Reveal hidden contents -Bran's learning magical tree powers, which means he'll be able to see through time and space with those creepy trees that are all over Westeros. -Contrary to what Dean said, Howland Reed, Jojen and Meera's (the kids who were hanging with Bran) dad was with Ned when Ned found his sister. Also a way of proving the lineage would be: Reveal hidden contents Via Rhaegar's harp. I can't recall how often this has been mentioned in the TV show yet, but in the books Rhaegar's harp is almost always mentioned when Rhaegar is. This could be tied into what's with Lyanna being buried in the Winterfell crypt's an honor that is only meant for Stark kings/lords. This part is reaching, of course. But it'd be similar to needing a direwolf to prove Bran or Rickon are Starks. Edited June 18, 2015 by The Cowboy Poet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Contrary to what I said? Not sure I mentioned anything about them? Anywho: Why'd Jon Snow wait 4hrs in line at the Apple store? Reveal hidden contents For the Watch 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) Such was my point. Reveal hidden contents EDIT: I was referring to "However no one would be able to prove the lineage (given it seems no one but Ed knew the mother and eds dead baby)", which isn't true if R+L=J then surely Howland knows, and I'm sure Jon would take Ned's best friends word on such an important issue. To prove it to everyone incase Jon ever wanted to take the throne? That's a different issue, but conceivably any of this could happen: A) marrying Danny (making Jon's parentage a non-issue) B) using the harp as proof of his lineage (still not great proof but since there's no DNA tests....) C) becoming the song of ice and fire personified, defeating the white walkers, therefor saving the world, at which point who cares, he earned that throne!! Edited June 18, 2015 by The Cowboy Poet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheMightyEthan Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 Welp, reading the books, and Reveal hidden contents 8% into the first one and it kills my theory about Jon, going out of its way to establish how much he looks like Ned. Must be Ned's nephew, then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 Your theory was wack, bro. Also good job on reading the books, proud of you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomTervo Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 Weren't you just parading that theory around on the last page, Canadian Cowfart?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted June 27, 2015 Report Share Posted June 27, 2015 Ethan's theory was that Jon = Robert's child. I've said some crazy things on here, but never THAT crazy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Composite breakdown of "Hardhome". Spoilers obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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deanb Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 Deaths of Game of Thrones in pixel style. Spoilers obviously. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Fuck Olly. (this is the first of at least two "Fuck Olly"'s) edit: everyone bangs on about this "cleganebowl" but fuck, Brienne and The Hound is one hell of a fight. edit: Okay this is for HotHeart Reveal hidden contents - Olly kills Jon Snow...."For the Watch" - Jonathan Pryce pops into this as a priest dude. - Tyrion n Jorah join forces, Jorah gets "stoneflesh" - Danerys gets attacked, Drogon comes to rescue - Stannis wins "Worst Father award" (Davos doesn't know...he'll be so sad) - Jon kills a whitewalker with his sword. - Arya becomes an assassin..then fucks up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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deanb Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 Reveal hidden contents p.s Fuck Olly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Season 6 spoilers: Reveal hidden contents That's not a Night's Watch outfit.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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deanb Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 So I knew Jerome, of Robson & Jerome, was in Game of Thrones, but I guess cos was largely a 90's thing I had no super solid memory of what looked like and wasn't really actively looking for him. Plenty other british actors in there (most recently Maester Luwin popping up as Rassilion in Doctor Who this week). Just found out he's Bronn. So for the Americans here is the mercenary Bronn and friend singing "Unchained Melody" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 On 12/8/2015 at 12:37 PM, deanb said: So I knew Jerome, of Robson & Jerome, was in Game of Thrones, but I guess cos was largely a 90's thing I had no super solid memory of what looked like and wasn't really actively looking for him. Plenty other british actors in there (most recently Maester Luwin popping up as Rassilion in Doctor Who this week). Just found out he's Bronn. So for the Americans here is the mercenary Bronn and friend singing "Unchained Melody" That only happened cos they were both in Soldier Soldier! Bloody whippersnappers don't know nothin' 'bout nothin'! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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