FredEffinChopin Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 "Can we please not do the line by line deconstruction thing? I find it rude." That's ok with me since I found your posts pretty rude too. Only because they were dismissive and condescending though, not because I have my own private interpretation of what it means when someone block quotes my text when replying to me. Regardless, I'm not changing the way I structure my posts because someone imagines that the formatting carries some connotation. On that topic, while we're sharing what we find rude and perplexing about each others' reasoning and mode: The amount of speculating you've done in responses indicates that you first decided that you took issue with my criticism, and then second got to work at figuring out why that is that you took issue. As a result you've thrown several theories against the wall, and offered up as many inept analogies as you could to suggest that I'm being selectively critical, and that everything about the narrative was executed adequately. It didn't slow you down a beat either when one of the conclusions that you considered viable in the absence of any evidence provided by the show (the idea of the face database) didn't fit in with what we've seen on the show. There must be some other way that I'm an idiot for my criticism, you just haven't figured it out yet - seems to be the idea. The difference is that when I see you do that, I'm not going to sit here and try to tell you to interact with me the way I would like you to. I'm just going to respond in a way that I feel is appropriate, and I don't feel like the quotation of texts to support my argument is going too far at all. "My point is that the face thing is obviously done by "some kind of magic", since they clearly aren't wearing actual masks a la Texas Chainsaw" Nothing is clear or obvious, and that's my problem. You reached that conclusion for the sole reason that the alternative (some method of skin-wearing, and no, these aren't mutually exclusive) sounds ridiculous. The problem is that the alternative has more content that supports it, no matter how silly that looks to us without further detail. The show itself has only shown us that, at least for Arya, the carrying of carefully-removed face skin is involved. The show has shown us that far from teaching her how to use the faces, Jaquen forbade her to do so (take a physical face from the wall to wear), even telling her that it would be poisonous for her to try, which suggests that he did not teach her. It doesn't seem likely that the waif did either, given her disposition towards Arya. They made a point to send her on missions with her own face, which worked to drive that idea home pretty well for me. "I don't get why it matters to you which kind of magic it is exactly or that we see how Arya learns it." I would like something, and that something could come in different forms. Give me a single scene of Jaqen smiling slyly as he welcomes Arya into a new area of the house. Then I can say "ok, he showed her how to do whatever magic-tricky and/or artisanal thing they do to apply the faces." Give me a scene of her sneaking into an area of the house where she doesn't belong, and then her beginning to eavesdrop on Jaquen or the waif about to engage in some activity, and close the scene. Then I can say "ok, she was sneaky and managed to learn some magic-tricky and/or artisanal thing they do to apply the faces." If they were to get more descriptive with the technique itself as Arya (or anyone) employs it, I might, depending on what that process involves, be able to reasonably suspect how we're meant to believe that she came about this ability. As of now though, it seems that I'm expected to believe that it just rubbed off on her from her remaining in close proximity to those who know how to do it for long enough. I feel like you're being deliberately obtuse with your bow & arrow example, but in case you're not, I'll explain why it's not the same thing: We know how people tend to learn how to shoot a bow & arrow. They practice shooting one. Some people are naturally talented at such things too. I'm not taking issue with the story not showing me how Arya learned to walk either. When Arya handed over her Bravos coin to the captain of the ship that took her there, I think it's safe to say that a lot of people were excited to see when/if she masters the mysterious technique that Jaquen showed off to us, even if we didn't expect an eHow video on it. We spent the following two seasons shadowing her every major move and event, and some minor ones. By the end of it we pretty much saw her do everything but defecate and learn how to wear faces. One of those is typical to omit in any story, but in this context, the other one is a glaring omission, especially given all the show's suggestions that nobody showed her how to do it. Say Podrick was separated from Brienne in a dramatic scene that ends with him stowing away in some ship that heads for Bravos. If Pod shows up a season or two later and starts pulling faces off left and right, I'm not going to ask any questions. He went to Bravos and learned this. Fine. It would be cool if he talks about it in a conversation when he reunites with Brienne, but I wouldn't count it as a strike against the show if that never happens. The narrative doesn't have the same relationship with Pod as it does with Arya, where we're privy to her every meaningful development. In the case of Arya, as opposed to the Pod hypothetical, the impression it leaves me with is that something about her learning this was deliberately avoided. Two possibilities come to mind as to why. The first is that something involving her picking up that ability is going to be revealed at a later, more appropriate time for other developments/reveals. This is the one I'm hoping for. The other one is that this faceless thing wasn't thought through very well, and that it's being awkwardly treated for that reason. That's the one I fear, and that I'm being tentatively critical of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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deanb Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 Okay so before it gets a bit too ugly I'm gonna lock this for a bit. In the meanwhile I recommend folks throw some suggestions for shows to watch in the interim over at the TV Show Discussion thread. For the night is dark and full of terriers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 Hey guess what, we're back. GoT recap by the narrator of Go The Fuck To Sleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 slightly annoying that next season is delayed while they wait for actual winter to film some scenes. Means the final series will be a couple of months late. http://www.slashfilm.com/game-of-thrones-season-7-delayed/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hot Heart Posted July 17, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 Stumbled across this. It's an old thing (the Serenity one is also good) but I figured worth sharing. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted May 25, 2017 Report Share Posted May 25, 2017 "Enemies to the east of me, Enemies to the west of me. Here I am, stuck here in the middle with you" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielpholt Posted May 25, 2017 Report Share Posted May 25, 2017 That's a good fucking trailer. It's been about a year since we last saw the show right? I feel like I've forgotten an awful lot of what went down already, especially the 'show only' stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted May 25, 2017 Report Share Posted May 25, 2017 Yeah, usually the season is wrapping up around now. The hiatus was long due to the production needing to wait for colder weather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielpholt Posted May 28, 2017 Report Share Posted May 28, 2017 Shame, I was secretely hoping it was a way for them to limit the time between the end of this season and the start of the final one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Hopefully that will be a happy side effect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 Based on a news report other day with politics in NI post-brexit n such they might want to get wrapped up on that kinda quick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mal Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 @ 1:22 - This is the year of CLEGANEBOWL. And yeah, there's the Field of Fire 2.0 and a last stand worthy of song till the end of time too but... Spoiler CLEGANEBOWL And if you want, Alt Shift X probably nailed what is going to happen this coming season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 What I took away from this episode: Shit and soup. Shit and soup. Shit. And. Soup. I think I am done with soup for a while. There were some other good scenes though. I'll wait for you all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 Was that Ed Sheeran? Automatically the worst episode of the series. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 I've been seeing a bunch about this Ed Sheeran fella. Why should I care about him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielpholt Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 About the Ed Sheeran scene. It was....nice to see people that aren't hell bent on being dicks in this world. I mean don't get me wrong, I was expecting it to turn rapey at some point, but it didn't and that makes me feel warm inside. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 It's almost as if Arya were the bad guy at that campfire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 10 hours ago, Mal said: I've been seeing a bunch about this Ed Sheeran fella. Why should I care about him? He did a song with Taylor Swift a few years ago. I don't know if he's had much success otherwise, I'm assuming so if he was in GoT. 1 hour ago, Mr. GOH! said: It's almost as if Arya were the bad guy at that campfire. I thought shit was going to go down when she was eyeing those swords. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 It was a decent opener. I was expecting more to happen, since it's a longer episode and the seasons are getting shorter, but I suppose it does a decent job of mapping everything out (quite literally). The "Ed Sheeran scene" and the scenes with The Hound were good because they show what's happening to the "proles" which is something I'd heard the books did more: showing the impact this all has on ordinary folk, not just the lords & ladies. I think my favourite scene(s) however, were (spoiler just in case) the leadership tension between Jon and Sansa. It's great to have come this far and have seen how their approaches are informed by different people and environments. It should make for interesting viewing ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielpholt Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 On 7/17/2017 at 3:14 PM, Mr. GOH! said: It's almost as if Arya were the bad guy at that campfire. I mean. At this point how do we feel about Arya? I get we want to see her succeed but she's done some pretty fucked up things in the name of revenge. I mean, Spoiler she murdered an entire room of people and whilst I guess we've decided they all deserved to die is that something we should be cheering for in a character? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 Just wait until she... steals Ed Sheeran's face to go undercover in the Lannister army, and you have to put up with him for the rest of the season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielpholt Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 Am I the only one that wasn't bothered by the appearance of Sheeran? He was entirely fine as a side character in a group of side characters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 You are never the only one. No matter how edgy you may feel you are being. (A pet peeve of mine). I wasn't hugely bothered by Sheeran, it was a bit immersion breaking, but there you go. Spoiler As for Arya, yeah she's being a bit vicious, but she didn't murder the Lannister soldiers (yet) so it's not like she is totally gone to the dark side. All the Freys she killed were in on the Red Wedding, she spared the wife cos she was innocent. I think Jon and Sansa is interesting, I don't think it will come to violence between them. I think blood will hold them together over Littlefinger's meddling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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