P4: Gritty Reboot Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 Good does not begin to describe it. More thoughts later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDex Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 (edited) Well, that was good.  Very good! I didn't expect them to pull it off as well as they did.   The actor that plays Clegane was fantastic in this episode. It's a shame that the scene between he and Sansa was edited and cut so short. Here's the audiobook recording of that scene if anyone wants a reminder - http://youtu.be/bXU316de5ls  Edited May 28, 2012 by MasterDex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 (edited) Just finished. By the Seve- Lord of Light, R'hllor, Stannis was quite the badass. The fear in their faces was quite something. Then with  Tywin coming down on Stannis's troops. I think I can understand why they play the Rains of Castamere at the end. You got to remember that Tywin was pretty young when he absolutely destroyed House Reyne and Tarbecks after coming back from a really dismal position. Also, I like the change of the actual battle itself. Really good move on Tyrion part with an exploding ship. Kind of sad that we didn't see the chain and just absolute mass of wildfire. Such is the budget, eh.  Also I just realized the knight with the stag helm was pose to be Renly's ghost.   Edit: I was on Reddit and came across this gem: "The night is green and full of science." I'm still grinning from this. Edited May 28, 2012 by MaliciousH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 This is in regards to the last line in MaliciousH's spoiler box: What??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 @Cowboy  the only way you'll understand what he's trying to say is if you either read the next book or wait for the next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 I'm slowly working my way through A Clash of Kings. I got like 200-300 pages left! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 (edited) I haven't even started on ADWD because I've heard from a friend that I especially don't want to finish it until the next book is officially announced and close to releasing.  Considering the way he said it and the reasons why I can only guess  Something bad happens to Jon Snow since I've joked around with them that the book they kill him off is the book I stop reading   Which is enough of an assumption/guess to make me stop until the 6th book is out.   Edit: So GRRM has only gotten 200 pages written by March 2012. Considering he had 100 written by January 2012, and the planned length of the book is around 1500 pages I don't see this being published till mid 2014 at the earliest. He at the least gave the major plot points to the 2 major tv producers in case he should die before finishing the series, and since he does not want anybody to finish the story for him it would seem that if he dies we could at least see the story finished in the tv series. Though he's confident he can finish the books before the series catches up. And honestly how couldn't he considering ASoS will be 2 seasons, and AFfC and ADwD can easily be 2 or 3 seasons. Edited May 28, 2012 by Waldorf And Statler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 Edit:I was on Reddit and came across this gem: "The night is green and full of science." I'm still grinning from this. Â What? That shit is magic. Though they sort of left that out of the show. Actually they might have completely left it out... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4: Gritty Reboot Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 I am guessing AFFC and ADWD will be seriously condensed from the book format, as there is a lot more world-building and a lot fewer events than in the first three books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewblaha Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 (edited) Pretty shameful that Martin completely did stupid shit with last night's episode. Â STANNIS BOARDS FROM HIS BOAT AND CLIMBS UP THE WALLS OF THE RED KEEP FIRST AND WITHOUT A HELMET ON. TYWIN'S ARMY CONSUMES THE BEACH AND STANNIS SOMEHOW ESCAPES SOON AFTERWARD. Â HE FELL TO HIS KNEES, HIS WOUND SMOKING, TEARS ROLLING DOWN... Â Wait. Â Wrong book. Edited May 28, 2012 by Chewblaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 If I read anything about somebody falling down to his knees with wounds smoking in ADWD I'm gonna fucking molest you god dammit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewblaha Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 Let me know when you start reading it so I can wear a bum cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 Edit:I was on Reddit and came across this gem: "The night is green and full of science." I'm still grinning from this.  What? That shit is magic. Though they sort of left that out of the show. Actually they might have completely left it out... Wildfire is magic now? I always figured it was Westerosi's version of Greek fire. Something that can be made without magic especially considering the Mad King ordered a ton to be made in a time where magic was pretty dead. Come on, even most of  Melisandre fire show is done with powders. She can however see into the future.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 Then explain why the pyromancer would even mention dragon's at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDex Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's some magic involved. If I remember correctly, it was said that the wildfire made before the return of the dragons was weaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewblaha Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 Wasn't it supposed to be the flame of the dragon that Aegon the Conqueror rode into the North when Bran the Bender bent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4: Gritty Reboot Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 Finally have a moment to hack out a few thoughts on last night's episode, S2E9 Blackwater.  This one was all about King's Landing and the titular battle. We didn't check in with Snow, Arya, Dany, Robb, Catelyn, Jaime, Littlefinger, or Theon at all. That really worked to the narrative's advantage though, as we got alternating scenes out on the walls in the thick of the fight and inside the holdfast where the women and children were hiding. Sansa & Cersei's interaction was a welcome respite from the chaos out in the night; they were an unexpected highlight of the episode. Next part will spoil through A Clash of Kings and Season 2: Episode 9.   All in all, aside from some minor changes and issues, HBO's team did a wonderful job bringing the BOTB to life. Yeah, there was no chain, but I can see how logistically implausible that would be for a TV crew to pull off. The wildfire boat and Bronn's flaming arrow added a lot of visual flair and drama to the tone of the fight that might not have come across with the chain & a daytime setting.  Tyrion, the Hound, and Bronn really stole the show once the ground battle got started. Tyrion's Braveheart speech and the subsequent back-and-forth skirmishing outside the city walls were just perfect, as was Ser Mandon's attempted assassination and Podrick's assistance. Perhaps the most gut-wrenching part was Cersei sitting and waiting to see who would come through the doors, ready to take her own son's life if necessary. Oh, and The Rains of Castamere was pitch-perfect, if more melancholy than I expected. Expect to hear that one... quite a bit more   I expect next week's to catch us up on all the aforementioned characters' story lines, especially Dany and the House of the Undying. We'll see where that leaves us for Season 3. Here's the preview:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMzsbKj6o3Y  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 It's too bad that video doesn't credit The National for performing that track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 I do know that wildfire was based on dragon fire but having magic within them? Perhaps. I know for sure that the ones Bronn set off was the newer stuff... still seemed pretty damn powerful but what isn't when pack together like that? I suppose how powerful wildfire is measured if it can melt stone and how well if it can. Â Eh. Magic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4: Gritty Reboot Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 Seems to me that it's tinged with magical properties but clearly based on Greek fire. Martin's fantastical worlds tend to take the real and simply exaggerate it. The Wall is based on the Roman wall in England, just 100x as big and made of ice, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 In the books the magical link is pretty clear. Production of Wildfire is slow and difficult but increases dramatically with the arrival and growth of the Dragons much to the pyromancers' delight. Everything in the series, The Wall, the White Walkers, the Dragons, Wildfire, all seem to be linked to magic. Not sure if one of them is causing the magic levels to increase and thus affecting all the others or if there is some external force like a solar flare increasing the magical background radiation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 (edited) Seems to me that it's tinged with magical properties but clearly based on Greek fire. Martin's fantastical worlds tend to take the real and simply exaggerate it. The Wall is based on the Roman wall in England, just 100x as big and made of ice, etc. Â Â There are multiple references to the Wall having warding spells and other shit going on with it. Â Edited May 29, 2012 by Faiblesse Des Sens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 How far into ADWD does the book overtake the events of AFFC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4: Gritty Reboot Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 @FDS Yeah, I'm aware. But the concept of a wall built to keep out invaders is pulled from the real world and made bigger and more magical, just like the wildfire. Â @W&S Around ADWD chapter 50, any remaining AFFC story lines are winding down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 How far into ADWD does the book overtake the events of AFFC? Â 500-600 pages in? Â Anyways, P4, I'm not getting your point. We're not talking about real life or exaggeration of it. We're talking purely within the lore here. Hell, I could make the argument that the "how" of exaggerated of things is magic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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