P4: Gritty Reboot Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 The guy is psychotic and does that for his own sick pleasure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 You reckon? Well Theon didn't reckon. He Rickon'd. I'm sorry. And yeah I knew the comment last episode of "you little bastard" wasn't for nothing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 Yeah bastards are bad people, remember? Fortunately Jon Snow isn't actually a bastard, supposedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 I'm a huge fan of the R+L=J theory. It makes the most sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4: Gritty Reboot Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 Yeah I think if that or something similar doesn't turn out to be true, much of the books' content becomes a massive red herring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 It might as well not be true, I can assure you it won't be covered till Book 10, and we won't get past book 6 at this rate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 Hmm, I think I can figure out who R and L and J are... Interesting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 It's not much of a spoiler as the characters have already been mentioned, but be warned researching it further could spoil you some Jon Snow shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 (edited) I'll explain it for Hot Heart without spoiling much Jon Snowisms: Reveal hidden contents Lyanna Stark (Ned's sister) Rhaegar Targaryen (Daenerys brother!) are supposedly Jon's parents. Which, I guess, would still make him a bastard. THOUGH, I guess, Targaryen's had multiple wives and shit, so maybe Rhaegar married Lyanna which would make Jon's claim to the iron throne over Daenerys.... but that's neither here nor there.Supposedly he kidnapped her, but it's been alluded to other times that he loved her. When she kicked the bucket, in some tour guarded by Targaryen guards, she whispered something to Ned, probably "yo raise this baby!". There's more to it but that's the basic jist. With Ned without a head, and both Lyanna and Rhaegar dead, only Howland Reed, Jojen's dad, is the only person who knows what actually happened in that watch tower. Personally, I think Robert's Rebellion would make a more interesting prequel than the novella's GRRM has written, if prequel TV show rumours are true. Edited April 24, 2013 by The Cowboy Poet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4: Gritty Reboot Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 I believe the timeline matches up nicely, the period of time in the tower, and Ned's secrecy in spite of Catelyn's anger at him. He's honorable above all else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 He's already said he wouldn't do that since we'll get any information we might need from it from the novels themselves. To add to what Cowboy mentioned in the theory: Reveal hidden contents There IS a huge chance his claim to the throne is bigger than Daenerys, it all depends on GRRM. We also need to remember that there was no man more honorable than Ned Stark. I mean he got beheaded due to his honor and was famous for doing so. Why would a man like that have a bastard when he has never expressed interest in things of the sort? If you remember Robert was killing everything that was a Targaryen that he could get his hands on, and since Jon actually looks more Stark than any of the brothers, possibly due to mother transferring her traits to the children like Catelyn with the boys and Lyanna with Stark. If you remember what Ned has mentioned before, he found her in a room full of blood and she whispered something before dying. So even more likely she died after giving birth. Speculations are that Dany and Jon Snow might eventually meet up and rule the kingdom together, as Targaryen's weren't weird with marrying relatives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 ADWD cliff hanger spoiler: Reveal hidden contents To to mention that Jon died so technically, his watch is over, meaning when he comes back to life, he'll be free to bang Dany all eh wants. This is all dependent on Dany fucking doing something finally. Also, it's all a moot point unless Aegon VI dies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 ADWD spoilers: Reveal hidden contents I think most of us are expecting Jon to come back to life since the Night Watch specifically says "now his watch is over" once somebody dies and Jon has made it explicitly clear by almost leaving with the wildling army that he has more interest in honoring his family than protecting the wall.And yeah if Aegon is indeed a Targaryen his claim would be pretty substantial. But considering how so far they've played him out to be somewhat of a cocky/unrealistic kid I don't think he'll last for too long. Then technically Jon Snow would be a bastard still but a proper high family bastard so if he does end up taking over it wouldn't be too far fetched for the people of the North to accept a Stark child over a Targaryen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 On 4/24/2013 at 11:16 PM, Waldorf And Statler said: ADWD spoilers: But considering how so far they've played him out to be somewhat of a cocky/unrealistic kid I don't think he'll last for too long. More ADWD spoilers: Reveal hidden contents Don't they play him up as the opposite? It's been a while since I read it but I don't recall any arrogance or confidence in what he was doing and he was more so treating it like his duty. Didn't he specifically live among common folk to avoid what you just said? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 Actually you make a good point. Should've chosen better wording and called him arrogant/unrealistic. I was just remembering the part where Reveal hidden contents he keeps insisting he should lead whatever march/attack they were gonna do and his adoptive father basically kept trying to insist he shouldn't while Aegon kept saying it's his duty and that he'd be fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 On 4/24/2013 at 11:28 PM, Waldorf And Statler said: Actually you make a good point. Should've chosen better wording and called him arrogant/unrealistic. I was just remembering the part where Reveal hidden contents he keeps insisting he should lead whatever march/attack they were gonna do and his adoptive father basically kept trying to insist he shouldn't while Aegon kept saying it's his duty and that he'd be fine Reveal hidden contents Hmmm... I'm not sure if arrogance is the right word there. Like I said, he believe it's his duty, so he wants to do it to its full extent. I don't think it's that arrogant considering that a King gains respect through things like that. And he has a lot of respect to earn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 All this talk is making me excited... hurry up GRRM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 Everytime somebody says GRRM should hurry up, a character gets killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 Regarding Jon Snow's heritage: I think it's made pretty clear that Lyanna Stark loved Rhaegar Targaryen and vice versa. Robert Baratheon's war was not one of vengeance for a wife kidnapped and raped but for jealousy over being jilted. ADWD Spoiler: Reveal hidden contents Young Aegon is portrayed as something of a paragon. He's scholarly, respectful, brave, etc. As Sansa would likely say "A true King". Would love to see Dany from Tyrion's POV. Could be that she is bat-shit crazy yet because we've only seen her POV everything appears normal. I trust Tyrion's judgement on such things. Also, don't want Red Wedding to happen but I am PUMPED to Margery and Joff to get hitched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4: Gritty Reboot Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 Episode 5 "Kissed by Fire" was good. Definitely a step down from the intensity of last week's, but that's to be expected. It was more of a setup episode, moving all the pieces in place for the next big events. They are doing a very good job of trying to emphasize important plot points for what's coming up. Jaime/Brienne scene was probably the best, but Tyrion/Cersei/Tywin was awesome as was the execution of Rickard Karstark. And WTF--the dead babies in Stannis' wife's quarters? Crazy stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 I thought it was a really good episode. It spent some time fleshing out the situations, revealing a bit more about some of the characters (though, I really wish Jaime Lannister would speak up a bit. His muttering always seems a bit too low). I liked seeing Tyrion's reaction to Olenna's 'browbeaten' comments, Robb's stubborn adherence to his father's ideals, the cracks showing with Stannis, the tension between Jorah and Barristan, Tywin being an incorrigible Machiavellian. It was all good stuff. Though, it was funny to see lots of fairly extended scenes of conversation and monologue (and butts) for the most of the episode and then the whole Sansa/Baelish bit whizzing by in a series of quick cuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4: Gritty Reboot Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 I couldn't understand Jaime either. Had to turn it way up. Quote incorrigible Machiavellian. That's what my tramp stamp says. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 Jaime was weak. Of course he was quiet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 Well, of course, but you'd think there are ways to enhance the crispness and such. It wasn't meant as a literal comment on the character or the actor but the production. That's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 Jon Snow confirms the carpets match the drapes. Errthang is kissed by fire, but now it's also kissed by Snow. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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