Thursday Next Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Harumph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 I've started watching this proper! Â Currently up to...Episode 6 I think. Little Finger has just betrayed Ned in the Throne Room. Â Also I know that GRR Martin kills off characters fairly frequently, but when the Starks come across the wilding party and I'm "Well that's Tonks" I knew she was gonna survive the skirmish. Though I imagine recognising folks is maybe more of a Brit thing than what Americans might get out of it (though Tonks is in Harry Potter films). Â btw I've mentioned it in the Boardgame thread, but if you're looking for a silly short and simple RPG to play with friends then check out the stretch goal variation they have for this called "Sean Bean Quest". I gave a wee write up here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Characters, no matter how well established or who the actor is, can die suddenly and without warning. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Characters, no matter how well established or who the actor is, can die suddenly and without warning. Â Totally, no such thing as plot armour here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Oh yeah I know, but I figured they wouldn't get a known actress on if her only point was to be in a 2 minute skirmish n killed straight off the bat. So far most of the "killed immediately" characters have been extra-level actors. Don't think there's been anyone on with a bit of prestige to then be killed almost as soon as they stepped on the screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 https://www.etsy.com/listing/231793158/game-of-thrones-map-westeros-google-maps  Pretty cool map, reasonable price. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 I can't say I care for show only spoilers. I just got spoiled by tonight's episode and eh. It's minor details as far as I'm concerned. M5 of M1-7 of A-Z. Â There is only one true god and his name is GRRM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Yesterday's episode is my first official bad episode of GoT. I know the internet probably has like 50 episodes they have already dissected and torn apart, but I tend to be pretty forgiving when it comes to tv shows and movies. This one was bad though. There's about 5 minutes of shit that actually matters in this episode. The rest of it was pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 I've actually been feeling like that for the last few episodes, like nothing's been happening. Part of that though is probably that this is the first season I've been watching while it was airing so I can't binge it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Have you guys read the books? Both Jon and Cersei's storylines are interesting if you know where they're going. Danny's is 100% awful, I can't argue that. As a book reader, I'm enjoying Sansa's story since none of it happens in the books so you don't know where it's going, the unexpectedness is refreshing. Jamie's storyline is fucking awful, the Sand Snakes sucked in the books and they still suck on screen. Really wish we could see the Greyjoys instead of the Martells... oh well, maybe season 6... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 I have not read the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Get on that, E! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 The series gets to another long awaited showdown (at least that's my impression) and you get a messily directed shambles. The Tunnel Snakes put up a better fight (tunnel snakes rule!) Â This season has been kinda disappointing as a whole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomTervo Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) Every action scene is bad and disappointing. After last week's episode I had to watch an episode of Daredevil just to wash the taste of bad action out of my mouth  I feel this season is really solid on the whole, mainly from a storytelling point of view. Every episode we get at least three succulent morsels of character development. Back in season 2 it sometimes came down to one morsel every two episodes, it was horrible, slow plot development with no meaning.  In terms of direction, it has become quite a mess. Especially the action. The goddamn action.  PS fuck the books, Ethan don't read them and don't trust anyone who says they're anything better than okay. The TV show will save you countless hours and is better in almost every way Edited May 19, 2015 by kenshi_ryden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Yeah, I keep seeing people say the show is better, which is why I haven't read the books. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Ths entire season so far has been about Jon Snow, which is fine. He's the only one moving forward, but the rest of the storylines are just fucking stuck. Nothing has happened except for that shit at King's Landing with that religious bullshit. Im not sure why, but that whole stroyline seems bad. Like, it feels like it doesnt belong there or something. Surely there had to be another way to point out to every viewer that the current king is a bitch. The whole thing just doesnt seem plausible to me. Â Im assuming we'll at least get a huge battle near the end at Winterfell. I hope thats good. Im also really looking forward to Ramsay getting killed. Though Im not sure if they should do it yet. Its the only real good villain the show has. They should probably keep him around longer. Â And Jamie and Bronn are on the most hilarious and obvious busy work ever on a tv show. They have no idea what to do with them. Which is a shame because theyre both good characters. Especially Bronn. Â I like Bronn so much that Im expecting him to get raped any day now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomTervo Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Idk, Arya's advanced nicely, Daeni's advanced a little, King's Landing just advanced a lot with Marg's arrest, Sansa's just advanced a lot with the horror  It's not all Jon Snow. Though he is having the best of times.You're totally right about Bronn/Jaime though. It's so meaningless. I feel similarly about Tyrion's, but at least there's a lot of peril in that storyline. Mild peril.  I like Bronn so much that Im expecting him to get raped any day now.  Welp, close it down folks, thread's finished, nothing more to see here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Agree about Bronn and Jaime. They are both in a good place with Jaime settled as head of the Kingsguard and Bronn with his new lordship and could be set aside for a bit (like with Bran). The sandsnake plot didn't need Jaime and Bronn. The attempt to kidnap the princess and it's being foiled works just as well without Jamie and Bronn turning up. Â I like the religious militia story line, though that may be because I have a bookish concept of the trajectory of that line. Â I'm loving Arya's story. Â Dany's is ok. Â Jorah and Tyrion's is a bit of a drag. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 I think Im criticizing it in a way that I feel that a lot of these stories could be condensed into 10 minutes each without losing any impact or feeling. Â The Arya stuff just needs a montage. I feel neutral about the whole thing. I need to see some results. She needs to seriously learn some shit already. The season is almost over. I didnt expect it to take this long. Sansa gets married and fucked by Ramsay. Thats about 5 minutes of material. We already know Ramsay is evil, we dont need any more. Not to mention that Ramsay has been nice to her, which makes the show boring. Theres nothing interesting going on there. Theon is as useless as ever, though that will probably change by the end of the season. Dany hasnt done shit besides burn those 2 or 3 dudes to death a few episodes back, which was rad. The religious militia thing is going to backfire on Cersei cus of her incest thing Im assuming. So im just waiting on that. What Tyrion is doing is also pointless, but at least we get some good dialogue with his scenes. Theyre not a complete waste. Im waiting on the payoff with whatever Littefinger is planning. Where the fuck is Varys? Â Jon Snow is the only one to me that matters in Westeros. It matters what he does. What everyone else does doesnt. Â It just feels like theyre stretching the show out, or they dont know where to go with it. Or both. It feelsto me like the people responsible for the show dont have the confidence to move the show forward in any meaningful way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomTervo Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) I get the impression that the religious cult plotline works a lot better in the books. Same seems to go for any cultish/uprisingish storyline in the show. The show can pull off individual characters well but not whole movements so much. Â The Arya stuff just needs a montage. I feel neutral about the whole thing. I need to see some results. She needs to seriously learn some shit already. The season is almost over. I didnt expect it to take this long. Really good call. They should have rushed it a little more and presented the hall of faces an episode or two ago, then dropped her altogether. Â I was really goddamn frustrated when they introduced the "OOH WHAT DO THEY WASH THE BODIES FOR?!?!" then ended the episode with the non-cliffhanger Tyrion getting kidnapped. We didn't even find out until two episodes later. For christ's sake, man. Â TL;DR: The whole story canon features massive pacing issues, thanks George Edited May 19, 2015 by kenshi_ryden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 The last thing I expected was a religious cult taking over King's Landing. Absolutely nothing led me to believe that was ever going to happen in this show. I havent read the books, but it just feels like they threw it in there to give Cersei and all the King's Landing people something to do. It feels like a bad cut & paste job. Like they took it from another show and jammed it in here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) Yeah, the sparrows are mentioned a bit more in the lead up and the head of the church is (iirc) hated by the general populace for his opulent lifestyle. This leads Cersei to depose the high septon and put the high sparrow in his place (thinking that she is just swapping one toothless priest for another) the militarising is more of a big deal in the book as well. Â Edit: That applies to the book obviously. As soon as you see that the high sparrow is played by Jonathan Pryce, it kind of blows the gaff that he's going to be a major player and not some silent puppet who keeps out of the way. (Kind of like Barristan's appearance in Dany's storyline). Â Ramsay abusing Sansa annoyed me, as I thought she had turned a corner development wise and had become a player rather than a pawn. I *thought* she realised that the Boltons needed her and that she could use that against Ramsay, as a shield if nothing else. If she starts turning up places with missing teeth / fingers / covered in bruises, the North would soon overthrow the Boltons. Â In other news, was this the first episode in quite some time without a pointless nude scene? I don't recall any nudity... Might be just desensitised to it though... Edited May 19, 2015 by Thursday Next Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 PS fuck the books, Ethan don't read them and don't trust anyone who says they're anything better than okay. The TV show will save you countless hours and is better in almost every way  In the words of Dean... u say wot m8?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Sure the show vastly improve on individual characters but it has the books to work off of. The characters and their traits were already there, they were just fleshed out really well in the show. With the streamlining of the storyline (even then there's tons of plotlines hanging, e.g. Gendry) and with catching up with the books, the show is charting their own storyline now. I don't know how they are going to keep up this juggling act. GRRM and his editor(s?) have years to work it out but the show writers and their editors really only have a year or less. Â With that said, I'm kind of freaking out with regards to Sansa. You don't come out of being Ramsey's wife unbroken. Also that I'll agree the book's Meereenese knot is a damn mess (It'll be interesting to see how the show goes about it...) and parts of Dorne and the Iron Islands plots were out of place (book and show but my god the show...). At least you show only folks don't have to deal with "Oh". Funny moment but it was a garbage plotline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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