TCP Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 Then you might benefit from reading the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredEffinChopin Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 On 4/12/2015 at 2:40 AM, Mister Jack said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Strangelove Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 I dont think retreat was ever an option. They would have lost a lot of men, not just from the weather conditions and possible attacks, but from starvation. They also would have lost time. Time they didnt have. It really is a now or never situation. So instead of a large part or his entire army of men dying slowly, he decided to give up his daughter. It makes sense. That being said, he is power hungry and delusional. He wants to be king for his own sake, but also for his faith and his belief in Melisandre's visions or whatever. He thinks the way he's going is the only way to defeat the white walkers. Somehow the internet believes he had no emotions about it, that he didnt give a second thought to sacrificing his daughter. Stannis isnt the type to start crying and going into hysterics. I suppose for some people thats their only way to show their feelings. He seemed pretty bummed out to me. Also, a lot of people were really critical of the dragon cg. Am I missing something? I thought it was great. They looked as good as dragons are going to look. Smaug wasnt any better. That shit was awesome. I dont know what people expected. Its not like making apes in the new Planet of The Apes movies, thos ehave a real life reference. They have guidelines to follow, so it's easier to do. Dragons are fucking make believe. They can look however people want them to look. While I have my own criticisms about cg(mostly that its used too frequently and liberally), that shit is a lot of work. And most importantly, it tends to be made by people who have a passion for it. Thats why they get paid shit for it. I cant stand people making fun of it. Thats a shitty attitude to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Yeah, anyone who said he didn't have a second thought obviously missed all the parts where he was arguing with Melisandre and trying to find another way. And yeah, I agree, I thought the dragon looked great. Not even "looked great for a TV show", just flat looked great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnine Tenshi Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 I don't think the dragon was bad. Maybe the green screening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 The CG wasn't particularly bad. I think it was more the direction and editing (like with the Dorne fight). Reveal hidden contents Like, it seems the idea was that Drogon wiped out nearly all the Sons of the Harpy (or the rest fled) and Dany needed to get him out of there because he'd started killing indiscriminately (there was a shot of regular people getting torched) but conveying all that wasn't clear to everyone and it couldn't quite show the scale of everything. Because I've seen people worrying that those left are still surrounded by the Harpies and how Dany just bailed on them, when I don't think that was meant to be the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 I think that was meant to be the case. They were still wearing masks, and throwing spears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 On my TV, the CGI was bad in the flying parts because it looked like the dragon and background were sloppily combined. Drogon himself looked great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Aaaaaaaaand this entire season was just the writers stalling with a set up for the next season. This show has officially become a parody of itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 On 6/15/2015 at 4:44 AM, Strangelove said: Aaaaaaaaand this entire season was just the writers stalling with a set up for the next season. This show has officially become a parody of itself. I must have missed all of the stalling between the major fucking events that happened. Is this post a parody of itself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 The season seemed pretty slow to me until the last few episodes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 (edited) On 6/15/2015 at 6:26 AM, Faiblesse Des Sens said: On 6/15/2015 at 4:44 AM, Strangelove said: Aaaaaaaaand this entire season was just the writers stalling with a set up for the next season. This show has officially become a parody of itself. I must have missed all of the stalling between the major fucking events that happened. Is this post a parody of itself? Youre a fucking idiot sometimes. Drop the contrarian act already. Oh shit, i forgot to answer your question. Aside from Stannis' story, nothing happens from season 4 that gets resolved or has any drastic changes. Edited June 15, 2015 by Strangelove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomTervo Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Well... In FDS's defence, a load of stuff did happen aside from Stannis's story. Cercei, Snow, Tyrion teaming with thingmy, thingmy getting captivated, whatever the fuck was happening to Arya... The goddamn white walkers for goddamn's sake! Ethan's right that it was super slow until eps 7-10, but plenty of actual shit did happen in this season. And I'm a giant ole critic of Song of Ice and Fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Wow. So... Reveal hidden contents ...it's starting to feel like a parable about climate change. All the politics and squabbles and vengeance don't mean shit when winter's coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 So, that was a thing... Reveal hidden contents Odds on Melysandra(sp?) doing something with her blood magic? She did say before that Jon has king's blood. *Edit Reveal hidden contents Also, I think I mentioned before that Jon Snow, Arya, and Tyrion were the three characters I most felt like might have a teensy bit of plot armor, and now two of them are apparently dead... Though as I said above I think there's a chance of blood magic with Jon, and I'm not convinced Arya was actually being killed, maybe just tricked into thinking she was to teach her a lesson. Though with this show it could easily be real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Reveal hidden contents Arya's not being killed, she's going blind. Sexy Jesus is strict on his "life for a life" stuff. I think there's a strong hint that Jon will be resurrected, if not by Melisandre then Thoros who was introduced in season three. Other factors support this but I won't say more in case you'd rather not know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 On 6/16/2015 at 6:15 PM, Hot Heart said: Reveal hidden contents Arya's not being killed, she's going blind. Sexy Jesus is strict on his "life for a life" stuff. Oh right, duh. Forget I said anything. Initially I thought she was dying, so I guess when I went to post after the show I went back to my initial impression instead of what really happened... On 6/16/2015 at 6:15 PM, Hot Heart said: Reveal hidden contents I think there's a strong hint that Jon will be resurrected, if not by Melisandre then Thoros who was introduced in season three. Other factors support this but I won't say more in case you'd rather not know. Reveal hidden contents I forget who Thoros is. As far as other factors, as long as they're from the show I'm fine with it, I just don't want spoilers from the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Reveal hidden contents Well, Melisandre clearly thought there was something special in Jon before she left Winterfell. And in season three she fetched Gendry from the Brotherhood without Banners -- where Beric had been brought back to life multiple times by Thoros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Ah, right, that guy, I remember that now. And yeah, I remembered Reveal hidden contents the, ahem, interest she showed him before leaving Castle Black. Didn't she say something about king's blood then? Oh my god! Reveal hidden contents Is Jon Snow one of Robert's bastards?! And is this an obvious theory that everyone else has already hit on?! I just took her king's blood comment to be referring to Rob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Reveal hidden contents There are a few theories regarding Jon's parentage but none of it really touched on in the show... yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Heh, I'm only to Series three but we have monday Game of Throne chats at work and one of us is a book reader so: Reveal hidden contents It's nicknamed "R+L=J". The theory being that he is not Ned Starks bastard, he is Ned Starks nephew to Neds sister Lyanna (L). And the daddy being Rhaegar Tageryn ®, prince at the time who helped kick off "Robert's Rebellion". Supporting evidence being: 1 - It's "A Song of Ice & Fire" = Ice from the Stark line and Fire for the Targaryen = Jon Snow. 2 - Many people remark on how honourable Ned was, but here he is gone to war and being unfaithful and even bringing the kid home. Bit out of character. But raising his sisters child, despite having the blood of Targaryen lineage. That's something he'd do. 3 - Ned refers to him as "my blood" and similar, but rarely if ever "my son". 4 - It'd make sense on why Rhaegar would "kidnap" Roberts wife; they're eloping. However no one would be able to prove the lineage (given it seems no one but Ed knew the mother and eds dead baby), apart from maybe him getting blasted by a dragon n surviving. Melisandrea might have some way of detecting kings or at least bloodlines given she knew who Gendry was but if that translates to a way that'd convinces others is unknown. Incidentally this would make him the strongest claim to the throne, since Rhagear was Danerys elder brother. However the Nightswatch oath would forbid him to it, though a slight get out clause on dying in your duty...which he's done. Jon Snow brought back would be non-Nights Watch Jon Snow edit: Apparently if you put R in brackets you find out that while they were mad, the Targareyns® were really into their IP laws. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 I always did think having a bastard seemed out of character for Ned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomTervo Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 On 6/16/2015 at 8:24 PM, TheMightyEthan said: I always did think having a bastard seemed out of character for Ned. But keeping an important national secret close to his chest... That is in character. Compelling idea. Let's hope GRR Martin has some actual plot-twist chops in him. On 6/15/2015 at 11:09 PM, Hot Heart said: Wow. So... Reveal hidden contents ...it's starting to feel like a parable about climate change. All the politics and squabbles and vengeance don't mean shit when winter's coming. Hah, I love it. The climate change idea. I'd agree with you if it weren't for the fact that I wouldn't trust Martin's writing abilities with my laundry. (Weirdest mixed metaphor I ever wrote.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Prediction! Reveal hidden contents Jon is Robert's son, he and Daenerys marry, uniting the two houses with claims to the Iron Throne. Though that seems a little too neat-and-tidy for this show. Also, it assumes Jon's parentage could be proved convincingly, which might be an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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