Game of Thrones (Current episode spoilers)

[Mal]

https://streamable.com/tanow

Yeah... I'm salty and smokey.

[Mal]

CLEGENE BOWL 

Spoiler

I accept that outcome.

 

What I don't accept is Jamie's conclusion or at least how it happened. How fast he turned was so rapid and how he got to his end was even quicker. 

 

And Ayra being there absolutely made no sense besides what I believe is her Q score. She's popular so she must be there! Fucking suits. Only reason I would want her to be there is to help Sandor finish his fight (in a similar way people want her to help end the Night King with Jon). It would be totally bad ass. 

 

But we got what we got. 

 

NEXT WEEK I'LL BE FREED. 

 

[TCP]

Yikes. 

Everything up to The Bells was ok. 

Arya and Sandor's chat was great.

Everything else.

Oh god. 

[Mal]

The thing about this episode is that it could've been great. It's just they never walked each character's narrative to this point. What happened was more like those ballista/scorpion bolts in the last episode. Fire hard and fast so it bust through EVERYTHING. Now when we get to the current episode, let those bolts slow to a crawl and be completely ineffective. 

[Mister Jack]

So what exactly are people's problems with this episode? They say it doesn't make sense but I don't see the issue. And don't use the books as an excuse because we're way past that now.

[TCP]

4 hours ago, Mister Jack said:

So what exactly are people's problems with this episode? They say it doesn't make sense but I don't see the issue. And don't use the books as an excuse because we're way past that now.

 

A lot of people have an issue with Dany going crazy. I actually think Dany going crazy and burning a city of innocent children and families is something that should have happened. But they way they portrayed it definitely didn't feel earned. She went crazy why?? Because Jon didn't want to bang? Give me a fucking break.

My main gripe is with Jamie fucking Lannister. This dude just spent 8 seasons growing as a person. In season 3 (?) we learn no, he's not just some ruthless Kingslayer, he killed King Aerys because Aerys was about to burn down King's Landing. Jamie scarified his own reputation, potentially his life, to save the people. Then years later, he leaves behind his sister lover, who's pregnant with his nephew/niece/child to go fight for the living and save the world. And they have the nerve to make Jamie say he's never cared about the people? Give me a fucking break. They've taken this dude who pushed 8 year old lil Bran out a window without giving it a second thought into someone who is compassionate and carrying. Someone who won the heart of Brienne of Tarth, one of the most honourable people in the entire Seven Kingdoms. And you're going to tell me, nah bro, he's going to go support Cersei and comfort her and give his life for her. Give me a fucking break. It's hack writing. 

It's great from a production standpoint. The destruction of King's Landing, for a television show, absolutely amazing. Most of the acting is pretty great. In fact, Emilia Clarke, who I've never felt was a particularly strong actor, her scene on Drogon when she decides to burn the city... great!! Arya's whole sequence is awesome (and I hope they release the full 12 minute take at some point). The Hound vs The Mountain was a little silly in concept but was executed well. What I'm trying to say is there's a lot of good stuff in this show. But the writing, the plotting, however you want to describe it, was an embarrassment. 

A lot of things have happened in this season that would be fine for most standard television shows. But when seasons 1 - 4 contain a world that is so meticulously crafted, and you end with.... this. It's very obvious and very hard to watch. 

Edited May 14, 2019 by Ultra TCP

[Mister Jack]

Spoiler

I don't think the whole Dany thing was because of Jon. I think it was because she refused to let Cersei off the hook that easily after Cersei killed her best friend. Tyrion was trying to take King's Landing with as little bloodshed as possible, and part of his plan was that Cersei could live if they surrendered. Clearly that wasn't good enough to satisfy Dany. She was determined to make Cersei suffer by forcing her to watch her kingdom burn no matter what. You can debate on how it was portrayed, but I think the reason itself is a satisfactory explanation.

 

I do agree with the Jaime thing. Eight whole seasons of character development thrown out the window at the last minute. What a complete waste of potential.

 

*Edit* Oh yeah Cersei's people also killed her dragon, whom she thinks of as her literal child.

 

Edited May 14, 2019 by Mister Jack

[Mal]

Wow, even the general audience is pissed now. Never thought I would see it. The way I see it, David and Dan really did not Dany's descent stew long enough. Additionally, they are literally rushing to finish this. You can absolutely tell from the after-the-show interviews. They look completely lost and say idiotic things. HBO was even offering more seasons! With that said...

 

Spoiler

Dany's madness was always in the card, show only and of course the books too. I just don't see an obvious reason for why she did what she did. I do not think it was to spite Cersei. Cersei hated the common people and the common people hated Cersei. It was told many times , even to Dany. I truly believe this episode could have worked. It was just missing a scene where the common people acted aggressive to Dany. I could see that as a decent trigger for Dany since getting to the point of getting King's Landing costed her a lot. Hell, her madness didn't even needs to show at the battle. It could have been at the very end after she burnt only the Red Keep (say because she does not want Cersei to live). I cannot believe D&D blew a workable conclusion to Dany's story. They seriously don't give a fuck, even for many other things in the show... like Cersei should've been lynched by the common folks when the Great Sept of Baelor was blew up (the actual episode was fucking fantastic though...).

And yeah, Jamie's ending was terrible. It's another case of rushing it but even if they took it slow, I just don't see it happening. Again, show only. It becomes even worse if we consider what happens in the books. Jamie ignores a plea/request for help from Cersei during the siege of Riverrun (remember that place?).

 

[TCP]

Well....... at least it's over now.

[Mal]

Pfft. I cannot stop laughing. 

SAME ENERGY 

 

 

Edited May 20, 2019 by Mal

[deanb]

Kinda quick Q: the lad in grey at that final meeting was the lad from the Vale right? The weirdo one who was breast fed still at 10 or whatever?

 

I liked Tyrions little speech about "stories". End of the day centuries later the War of the Roses (which much of GoT follows), House York was mainly supported by southerners but still the White Rose is the symbol of Yorkshire and plastered all over the place.

 

It ended kinda how it had to really. I was satisfied.

[Mal]

5 hours ago, deanb said:

Kinda quick Q: the lad in grey at that final meeting was the lad from the Vale right? The weirdo one who was breast fed still at 10 or whatever?

Yup. (Little) Robin Arryn. 

 

5 hours ago, deanb said:

I was satisfied.

I mean, I guess I was? I really cannot expect much else. All my nerd rage is gone. All is left is laughter. The last episode opening could have been this

 

Nothing that was built up came to fruition. The writing was also terrible as we all know. EH. Oh.

Spoiler

Bran probably won't be king. It's just not a thing that the Three Eyed Raven would want. His thing seems to be far grander than being a petty king. 

Also who would realistically accept that the King of the Six Kingdoms is a Stark while there is a Queen of the North who is also a Stark!? Sure Bran will be replaced but... he can fucking warg (remember this power) into a person and dominate them. Oh man... again, the opening should've been the 90's opening.