Humble Indie Bundle

[toxicitizen]

Saints Row The Third is great, it's worth it just to get that one game for cheap.

 

Ended up getting it but initially I figured it would be cheaper to just wait for the christmas sale and get the Full Package edition with all the DLC.

 

The only game on that list that I did own was Darksiders. I bought it to get saints row 3, I also am interested in Metro and company of heroes, but mostly for Saints Row.

 

Metro 2033 is awesome. It's a bit rough around the edges and will make your computer cry but the atmosphere is incredible. Definitely one of my favorite new IP this gen. One of the main reasons I really don't want THQ to go out of business is that I want the sequel to actually come out.

Edited November 30, 2012 by FLD

[TheMightyEthan]

Saints Row The Third is great, it's worth it just to get that one game for cheap.

 

Ended up getting it but initially I figured it would be cheaper to just wait for the christmas sale and get the Full Package edition with all the DLC.

 

Yeah, I hadn't considered that aspect.

 

*Edit* - I was in the same situation with Metro 2033 I had with Bioshock: I wanted really really bad to like it, and I tried really really hard, cause the atmosphere was amazing, but in the end the controls just felt way too wrong and I couldn't make myself do it.

Edited November 30, 2012 by TheMightyEthan

[toxicitizen]

Which platform did you play them on? I don't remember either game having weird controls.

[TheMightyEthan]

PC and 360 for Bioshock, PC for Metro. The aiming/movement felt off.

[P4: Gritty Reboot]

Bioshock did have a weird mouse smoothing issue. I always seemed to swing my cursor too far over my target.

[TheMightyEthan]

The weirdest thing was that it felt wrong on both 360 and PC, and I've played plenty of other 360 shooters with no problem. Whatever, it was an entirely subjective thing and I don't claim that it makes the games objectively bad in any way, I just couldn't personally deal with it well enough to play them.

[toxicitizen]

Perhaps it was motion sickness of some kind? At first I thought maybe you meant it was awkward switching between guns and plasmids but you mentioned 360 and I thought that wasn't so bad on the dualshock 3. But then you mentioned the aiming and movement.

 

I remember back when I was playing Killzone 2, one afternoon I was playing and started getting a headache and just... it's hard to describe. It felt kind of claustrophobic, I guess. At the time I thought I was just tired and shrugged it off. But now I realize it was motion sickness and the claustrophobic feeling was probably due to the narrow FOV, which would be fine for a TV across the room but my PS3 is hooked up to my computer monitor so I was sitting less than three feet away. I had no idea what was going on at the time because I'd never experienced motion sickness while playing a game before. Haven't had it again since, either.

Edited November 30, 2012 by FLD

[TheMightyEthan]

I don't think it was anything like that. It was like when I gave the game control inputs it didn't quite do what it should have. It just moved wrong. Mouse acceleration could potentially explain it on PC, but I don't know about 360.

[Faiblesse Des Sens]

Do you get that in other games? Like say, Killzone 2 or 3 if you've played them?

[TheMightyEthan]

It's happened a couple other times, Rage comes to mind, but it's by no means common. In fact Rage is the only other game I can think of right now, though I know it's not actually the only one.

 

I haven't played Killzone 3 yet, but with Killzone 2 it's hard to say because I already don't like the DS3's sticks. I played the beginning part with a 360 controller until I ran into a part that required SIXAXIS, and while I was using the 360 controller the aiming seemed fine.

[fuchikoma]

I'm not big on FPS anymore, but I've heard of cases of PC games where acceleration makes it feel wrong, and in some cases even if the menus don't offer a solution, there may be a line you can change in an INI file. Have you looked into that already?

[Mal]

I seem to recall this discussion, specifically with Bioshock, a while back. Metro 2033 there could be something because I recall just having a nasty time killing more things because something felt off. Sadly, I also didn't finish the game because it just gets really had at THAT damned tunnel which, if I recall, comes after a terrifying surface journey.

[Vecha]

Got the Bundle as well....don't understand the hate from some morons on the net.

 

I to felt Metro 2033 felt weird...only put about 4 or so hours into it. Need to get back on it.

 

I played Bioshock on the 360...but didn't feel it was off as much...the movement did seem sluggish compared to other games, but didn't disuade me like metro has.

[deanb]

I can understand the issues folks have with it, it's the first that's both non-DRM free, and also the first that's not multi-platform. Which both are the main reason for HIB in the first place and there will certainly be a fair few people, especially those high paying Mac n Linux guys, who might be a bit upset. Especially as there's already not very much of a shit given by the HIB organisers to make sure the ports to Mac n Linux work on those games that offer them. I'd say as long as this is a one-off, or at least a one-off for a long time, then I'm sure folks will be fine with it. THQ are pretty fucked at the moment (which does bring the third point of every game in the bundle having a sequel or loads of DLC for it, which aren't PWYW)

 

Here's David Rosen, one of the original founders of HIB, but not invovled anymore, thoughts on the matter;

 

http://forums.wolfire.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17110&p=182338#p182338

[fuchikoma]

I don't really buy into the level of hysteria shown in some posts on the Wolfire forums, but my position is that THQ is pretty cool nominally... They published the

of all time eons ago. I'd like to see them stick around. I'd also like to try some of these games that I haven't bought on anything yet. But it doesn't matter if it's the best game in the world, I'm not buying anything else on Steam. If my purchase made or broke them somehow, it'd be sad to see them go, but wouldn't change my decision. I buy DRM-free PC games and I've been locked out of my Steam accounts for weeks before - no feature list is worth putting my game collection under the Sword of Damocles like that, and really, the only feature I want is to play the games I bought without additional baggage.

 

But in any case... good luck, THQ! You guys have a good sense of cool stuff; it's surprising to see the company in such trouble.

[TheMightyEthan]

Sucks that you've had a bad experience with Steam like that. How'd you get locked out for so long?

[fuchikoma]

It was just after they got hacked a year ago. I'm sure I explained all the problems I've had with them somewhere on here, but in this instance, right after the hacking, I got an email from them to confirm a password reset. I tried to log into that account and I was locked out. I tried to reset the password, but I couldn't receive any more reset emails for it. Then I opened a ticket and for 2 weeks, I could only get one response per day from them. They'd ask for some identifying info, I'd give it... then they'd ask for more info, and I'd give it... Ultimately, they said I wasn't the owner of that account and they couldn't help me (though at the same time they got me into another account I had.)

 

So I opened another ticket under a different pretext - account hijacking instead of password reset. And... within a few days, the support rep told me both of my account names and got my passwords reset - It turns out the account name they sent me the reset request for originally wasn't a Steam account I owned, but I didn't notice that because it was an obscure Latin word I actually used as a login to various game services like MMOs (though never character names or other public stuff,) and I hadn't had Steam installed for like 4 months before that. Ultimately, they said they'd look into why that would have happened and take appropriate action, but would not tell me any details of it.

 

That's not my whole rationale for avoiding Steam, but it's the latest burn I got after I bought Portal 2.

[Faiblesse Des Sens]

So because you reported your issue wrong Steam sucks? Resetting someone's password is a way to hijack an account. Social engineering. The whole Mat Honan thing.

[TheMightyEthan]

In his defense Steam support is notoriously bad.

[deanb]

I do remember Fuchi mentioning it at the time. Don't remember the part on oepning tickets twice. FDS is right, if the account was hijacked that's where you should have gone for first. (But yes on the other hand Steam can be kinda bad, though more a case of just being slow than anything)

[fuchikoma]

More that I'd discovered it appeared to be hijacked when they wouldn't handle the password reset for me. And really, does it make more sense to assume that if they send me an email about an account name that I use for gaming services (all URLs linking to real Valve servers), that I'd used that name for that service, or should I have assumed that either Valve hacked into Gravity LLC, Nexon, or Blizzard's servers and looked up my username or that one of those three thought it would be funny to send me a Steam password reset email for that account? Because really, it's not a name anyone would know about and nothing I could have done with that email would have exposed me to any kind of hijacking or exploitation.

 

But no, FDS, it sucks because you could have somewhere from $1-1,000,000 worth of games on your Steam account, and if anything doesn't look right to them, at any time, for any reason, you can lose all of them. I don't like begging permission to borrow things I've bought. (And other things I've mentioned before in other threads. I'm holding back because I don't mean this overtly as an anti-Steam discussion, but just to relate that I like THQ, I'd like to see them make it out intact, I don't think it's ruining the vision or image of the Humble Bundle to do this, but if the copies they're offering are still tied to Steam, they can keep them even if it is a matter of life and death for the company that chose to distribute them that way. Basically, I've given Steam a bunch of chances since it first launched, and every time I do, they make me regret it, so I'm out.)

Edited December 4, 2012 by fuchikoma

[deanb]

He's not meaning social engineering on your end, but on Steams end. You could have been someone else attempting to gain access to your account with your enquirers to Steam about resetting a password. As happened with Mat Hanon getting all his Apple stuff wiped (in case you didn't get FDS's reference). This is the same reason my Jobs Advisor couldn't confirm my appointment over email. Why bother convincing you to accidentally give up your info when they can get the service itself to do so.

[fuchikoma]

Oh. Yeah, of course that is a risk. I don't fault them at all for asking for a bunch of things to confirm my identity. I was just annoyed at how they did it in a roundabout way, sometimes asking for some info, then a day later asking for more things they could have asked for before. Also, the greatest mystery is in where that initial reset message came from. But mainly, the whole episode drove home the point of how dependent access to your purchased games is on Valve continuing to believe and cooperate with you - not that it's a surprise at all, but it's a bit more of an academic point until you're locked out and a rep is saying "nope, sorry, that's not your account. I can't help you. Have a nice day."

[Saturnine Tenshi]

I've had nothing but bad experience with Steam support.

[Faiblesse Des Sens]

Also, the greatest mystery is in where that initial reset message came from.

 

It was likely a phishing attempt. Which is why they made you go through so many loopss.