Strangelove Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 Chie bashing aside, I dont quite understand the fascination with Rise. I imagine because she's the most attractive of the bunch. Otherwise, she's the least interesting of the bunch. Even Yukiko has more substance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 I wouldn't say I HATE Rise or anything, but I would like her a lot more if she wasn't the living embodiment of "Please notice me, senpai!" A guy can only put up with that for so long before it gets old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 I find it endearing, but can totally see how it would get irritating really fast. Naoto's a guy to me, so not really in the running. Yukiko's too space-cadet-y for my tastes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 Mitsuru > ALL OF P3 and P4! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 (edited) On 3/14/2015 at 6:41 PM, TheMightyEthan said: Naoto's a guy to me, so not really in the running. wut u say u shitlord Edited March 14, 2015 by Mister Jack 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 I'm gonna spoiler this just because I know TCP is thinking about playing the game: Reveal hidden contents Naoto is obviously trans. The fact that the game tries to send the message that he needs to accept that he's biologically female and act his assigned gender is troubling to me. I respect that he feels like he should be male. That's not to say he can't be a love interest for the PC, but I saw him just as another of my friends, like Yosuke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 Reveal hidden contents I completely disagree with the theory that Naoto is a trans man who gets "fixed." You have to remember that the game takes place in Japan, a society which is still a bit behind the times when it comes to its treatment of women. What Naoto wants more than anything is to be a detective, but despite her skill she isn't taken seriously because the police force in Japan is almost completely dominated by men. Her shadow didn't accuse her of wanting to be a boy because she feels out of place in her own body, but because it would mean she doesn't have to struggle constantly to gain the respect of her peers. The lesson there wasn't that she should "act her role" but that she shouldn't have to change herself to suit the rest of the world. She's basically the opposite of Kanji. It's okay for Kanji to pursue traditionally feminine interests despite being a boy and it's okay for Naoto to pursue a traditionally masculine career despite being a girl. That's my take on it, anyway. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 Yeah, I'm with Jack. Reveal hidden contents I never really got a trans vibe from Naoto. I don't think she was struggling with her own gender identity, it was more about the gender role of being a detective: i.e. it's a job for men. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 I agree that's how it's presented, but I think that Reveal hidden contents that presentation actually kind of contributes to the heteronormative implications. Like, it's not even a possibility for Naoto to actually feel like a man. I guess what really bothers me the most about it is that in the true ending epilogue Naoto had started dressing all girly. Like the game's saying sure, it's fine for Naoto to do a manly career or whatever, but she still had to be a girl. I do get that a lot of this is cultural dissonance, and if this post is rambling it's because I'm still figuring out what I think about it. But the core of my original content is that the relationship I have to Naoto is like with a cool guy who just happens to have a vagina. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vecha Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 I may slightly disagree with you TME, but I can see/understand where you are coming from. And I respect it more than how some of the rest of the internet is acting that have a similar interpretation as you. And by that I mean some attack Atlus/Japan/creators as being Reveal hidden contents Transphobic/Predjudice against those who are trans.Heteronormative/dissonace is more persuading than vitriol and anger. ESPECIALLY to those who don't see Naoto as being trans(on the other side of that coin are people that get angry at the mere suggestion that Naoto may be trans.)I totally understand analyzing literature/movies/video games and coming to a conclusion that the character(s) really would rather be a man/woman. But some act as if Japan is trying to tell the LGBT to not exist.If the creators didn't want Naoto to be a man and only wanted to show the gender roles as far as a woman wanting to do a more traditional male's career...than they didn't want him to be a man.However...That doesn't mean it can't strike a cord in society or be a trans issue.So...TL;DR. I don't personally think Naoto is trans....but it's a very interesting conversation/thought provoking subject that I totally can see. As far as the best girl: Chie. Best guy: Kanji/Naoto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 I legit don't get the attraction to Chie. She seemed super annoying at first, and while she did grow on me throughout the game it was only ever as a friend and not as a love interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vecha Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 I like girls that are more Tomboyish. Pretty much it for me. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Chie is really fun. Her antics during the Naoto/Kanji investigation and her kung-fu training really endeared her to me. And isn't the genki girl usually the most popular? I was about to do the Christmas Eve event with Rise, I realized, no, this isn't right! I went with Chie. Reveal hidden contents And then you had to leave at the end. NOOOOOOO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Chie also has this really cute vulnerable side you don't really see much of unless you are pursuing her romantically. I believe it was the Valentine's Day event where she said something that just made me like her that much more. Reveal hidden contents "I still can't believe it...You actually chose...me. I'm so ordinary compared to Yukiko or Rise-chan or Naoto-kun, yet you chose me..." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 So close to platting it, yet so far... That's at the end of my second playthrough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 I told you, man. Fucking Risette. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m14BLLIvROU Really loving how it looks. Seems like a massive improvement in presentation both in the dungeons and in the town exploration stuff. Oh and, to no one's surprise, delayed to summer 2016. The best part is that until very recently they were still adamant about the whole "coming in 2015" thing. Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 Japanese companies lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 Excellent news! The sooner this crapfest of a game comes out the sooner we get Catherine 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 Wow, and I thought TCP's tastes couldn't get any worse... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 Nah Persona is fine, but I really want to play another Catherine or a Catherine spiritual successor. They were made by the same team! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Lol, I know. I liked Catherine fine, and would play a sequel, but Persona is much more exciting for me. It's actually the only game that I was really excited for this fall, so this news makes me a sad panda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 You'd think I'd be more into Persona since I'm Mr. PlayStation Vita but P4 just never clicked with me. Maybe I should give it another shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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