TheFlyingGerbil Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 You'll be able to use your wiimote+ one the WiiU so it won't go to waste I pre-ordered the special version with the controller because I've played most Zelda games and there isn't one I haven't enjoyed. I think it's only the second game I've pre-ordered partly for the nintendo price promise Yantelope mentioned, partly for the orchestral CD. I have listened to a bit of the SKyward Sword music and it sounds wonderful with proper instruments so I'm sure the CD of older music will be great. http://www.zeldainformer.com/2011/09/29/romance02.mp3 makes me really excited! but I'm not going to listen to any more and spoil it. I love the look of the game. I loved the look of Wind Waker too though I agree they aren't at all similar just that they both aren't 'realistic' styles. I'm sure the controls will be fine. They were fine in Twilight Princess too. Any control scheme has compromises - it's just that we are used to and compensate for quirks based on a standard controller scheme. I'm not sure about the story as I've been trying to avoid reading about it but I've never really been that bothered either way about a story in any game (not just Zelda) I just see it as something to move the game on and tell me where to go next. I like the idea that they are shaking up the explore world/enter dungeon idea though obviously will have to play it before I can say if I like what they've done. Overall, Zelda in my favourite game franchise and I can't imagine what they could do to muck that up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 That song is beautiful. I hope the whole soundtrack is that good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4: Gritty Reboot Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 SS is supposed to be a prequel type story right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingGerbil Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 they have stated officially it is the earliest in the time line so far but also stated that it is not the definitive beginning/origin of the legend/timeline as they don't want to paint themselves into a corner story-wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMW Posted October 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Yes indeed, Skyward Sword is a prequel type story. It has been said to be first in continuity, coming in before Ocarina of Time. No mention has been made of The Minish Cap, which also comes in before Ocarina of Time. We don't yet know how those two relate. Since the kingdom of Hyrule doesn't exist yet in this one though I'm gonna go ahead and guess that it comes before Minish Cap too. This game is looking like it will cover the creation of the artifacts that then carry down through the rest of the games. It's been announced that we'll be creating the Master Sword. I'm willing to bet our actions will also create the Triforce and maybe the Ocarina of Time as well. One other thing that's going to be created for the first time in this game is the Hylian Shield Crest. If you look at the trailers (particularly the romance trailer (beautiful music!)) you'll see a repeated crest. It's on Link's collar, on the giant angel statue at the base and also at the platform higher up. It's on Zelda's blue hip half skirt type thing. That crest has been in the franchise since Ocarina of Time on the Hylian shield and elsewhere, but there's always been a Triforce in the middle. This version doesn't have the triforce. I never read anything into the red bird shape on the Hylian shield before though! Way cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMW Posted October 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 This is a big deal for Koji Kondo the Nintendo composer. Rumor had it that he threatened to resign when Twilight Princess didn't get an orchestra. This soundtrack will have all stops pulled out. I'll be interested to see if Nintendo attempts any of the musical layering and transitioning that they did with the old MIDI soundtracks. If that isn't possible with orchestrations then it's a trade off well worth it, but it would be even cooler if I could have both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 I don't know how "spoiler" this is, but it's the Opening Trailer, a.k.a. Introduction Cinematic. Maybe some of you have already seen it. Basically, it lays out the lore in Skyward Sword. It's quite different than most Zelda games, and much like what Frosted said, there's hinting that quite few notable artifacts will make their debut in the Zelda universe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 This game is looking like it will cover the creation of the artifacts that then carry down through the rest of the games. It's been announced that we'll be creating the Master Sword. I'm willing to bet our actions will also create the Triforce and maybe the Ocarina of Time as well. One other thing that's going to be created for the first time in this game is the Hylian Shield Crest. If you look at the trailers (particularly the romance trailer (beautiful music!)) you'll see a repeated crest. It's on Link's collar, on the giant angel statue at the base and also at the platform higher up. It's on Zelda's blue hip half skirt type thing. That crest has been in the franchise since Ocarina of Time on the Hylian shield and elsewhere, but there's always been a Triforce in the middle. This version doesn't have the triforce. That sounds cool, though I doubt we'll be creating the Triforce. The creation myth as told in Ocarina of Time (which granted could just be a myth) has the goddesses creating the Triforce immediately after creating the world. However, it's possible this has something to do with how Link, Zelda and Ganon each got bound to the different parts of the Triforce (Courage, Wisdom and Power, respectively), thus creating the reincarnation loop that's been playing out throughout the rest of the series. That's just my idle speculation though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnine Tenshi Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 If I had a Wii, I would be all over this... though I'm a bit frightened it'll be another pedestrian adventure game. The DS titles, and TP to an extent, have somewhat soured my love for the world. Going to attempt to play it with my sister-in-law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 I haven't played the DS titles, but I love TP, so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4: Gritty Reboot Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Welp, first reviews are in and are good. Shocking, I know. ONM gave it a 98% (highest score they've ever given it sounds like), also indicates 35 hour playtime, 70 for 100% completion Edge gave it a 10/10 (one of just over a dozen they've given) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 I'm so skeptical of certain franchises that aren't allowed to receive bad scores. Other franchises would include Halo, COD, GTA etc. I take reviews on games like Zelda pretty lightly from sources I don't fully trust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnine Tenshi Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 "Official Nintendo Magazine" >_> I doubt it'll be a bad game. I just always thought it silly that these guys review first-party games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4: Gritty Reboot Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 I believe it's handled by Future Publishing, not Nintendo. Still, yeah, don't really care for "official" mag reviews. I'm so skeptical of certain franchises that aren't allowed to receive bad scores. Other franchises would include Halo, COD, GTA etc. I take reviews on games like Zelda pretty lightly from sources I don't fully trust. I don't think any reviewer would feel as if they weren't "allowed" to assign a bad score. I think the franchises you list tend to have solid, tried-and-true gameplay, and game reviewers don't tend to mark games down too much for a failure to really innovate. That being said, I think Zelda games have consistently innovated, even if they don't shake up the structure too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Yeah, it just seems like reviewers are afraid to give the big franchises bad scores at the risk of alienating the fanbase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyRan Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 (edited) Yeah, it just seems like reviewers are afraid to give the big franchises bad scores at the risk of alienating the fanbase. Indeed. Boggles the mind how anybody could've rated Twilight Princess any higher than a 90, but it got crazy good scores for an incredibly mediocre experience. Nintendo games are judged in a vacuum, under an "EVERYTHING'S AWESOME" preconceived notion. If there are any games whose reviews are by far the least informative, it's Nintendo games. "Stale" becomes "classic", "recycled" becomes "nostalgic throwback", "simplistic" becomes "easy to pick up", etc. I do definitely believe reviewers are deathly afraid of rating a major Nintendo release anything than a very high score (9.0/10 points, 4/5 stars, "BUY THIS NAO" verdict, etc.) Doesn't mean Skyward Sword is gonna be bad at all, it's just that gushing reviews are absolutely meaningless. Edited October 21, 2011 by RockyRan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4: Gritty Reboot Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 @Yant - I... don't want to get too off-topic, but I don't think that's true for the most part. I can't imagine a scenario in which a reviewer plays a game to the end, sits back, and thinks, "Well, that was mediocre. 5 or 6 at best," and then proceeds to write a review of 8 or 9 out of 10 just to not upset a fanbase. Has it happened? Possibly. I just don't think it could happen on such a large scale as you're suggesting. Re: Skyward Sword, early reviews are often positive so it's not much of a surprise. Still, the extent to which these reviewers went to pile accolades on, giving the game top honors and such, suggests to me that it's really something special. Yeah, it just seems like reviewers are afraid to give the big franchises bad scores at the risk of alienating the fanbase. Indeed. Boggles the mind how anybody could've rated Twilight Princess any higher than a 90, but it got crazy good scores for an incredibly mediocre experience. Nintendo games are judged in a vacuum, under an "EVERYTHING'S AWESOME" preconceived notion. If there are any games whose reviews are by far the least informative, it's Nintendo games. "Stale" becomes "classic", "recycled" becomes "nostalgic throwback", "simplistic" becomes "easy to pick up", etc. I do definitely believe reviewers are deathly afraid of rating a major Nintendo release anything than a very high score (9.0/10 points, 4/5 stars, "BUY THIS NAO" verdict, etc.) We've been over this tired ground before. You personally didn't like Twilight Princess, but I and many others thought it was amazing. Broke new ground for the series and provided a truly epic adventure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyRan Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Yeah, I've said it plenty of times. I feel like a troll sometimes but I just feel very strongly about it Since I've played in 2006 I've struggled to come up with a single way in what it innovated. It's by far the most stale game of the entire series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 I don't see any difficulty in finding new things it's done for the franchise. For one, the focus on character development and story is pretty much unprecedented for the franchise. Other than that, the wolf sections or the motion controls, or any of the new items. Sure, nothing revolutionary, but changes compared to it's predecessors none the less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4: Gritty Reboot Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Well, it expanded the world to one of the biggest depictions of Hyrule we've seen. It came up with a bunch of new puzzle mechanics like the dominion rod "control-the-statue" puzzles that I found to be pretty awesome. It added cinematic setpieces the likes of which haven't been seen in Zelda games before (the jousting on the bridge, the kid who gets kidnapped, etc.), and obviously the wolf & twilight sections, which were a brand new idea for Zelda games. It's no Wind Waker or Link to the Past in terms of innovation, sure, I'll give you that. My point is that pointing at Twilight Princess as an example of reviewers' being "afraid" to score games low is a poor example, because there are plenty of regular gamers like me that love the game, and I think the general consensus is that it's a great game. Were the community response extremely poor and reviewers' scores remained disproportionately high, then I think we could say it was an example of a fear of upsetting the fanbase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyRan Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 The world map was incredibly barren and empty (and not in the Shadow of the Colossus way), the puzzle mechanics weren't particularly inventive and were mostly variations or a simple twist on something they had already done before, the cinematic pieces were ruined by woeful production values (MIDI music? Thank god it's orchestrated in Skyward Sword), and the wolf/twilight sections were easily the most tedious part of the game. It added marginal differences but none were particularly new and plenty were actually for the worse. I know people love TP. That's why I feel strongly about it. I still see absolutely no reason to love the game, but people just do, and it bothers me that you say "the general consensus is that it was good" because that's precisely the kind of irrational hype bandwagons that just leave me baffled. Hype trains are running rampant, reviewers overrate it to hell (95 on metacritic? Are you kidding me?), hype train derails and goes out of control, and people love the game simply because everyone around them loves the game and love love love. I don't buy into hypetrains or what other people "generally think" of the game, so when games get rated almost exclusively out of hype (the vast majority of Nintendo games, for instance), I just get turned off from that side of gaming altogether. Truth is, I don't hate TP. It was decent. Weakest of the series, but decent. It's the hype and irrational love for it that bothers me more than the quality of the game itself. But anyway, I'm raining on people's parades and veering horribly off topic. I'll stop because we've been through this plenty of times before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4: Gritty Reboot Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 I still see absolutely no reason to love the game, but people just do That's what I'm saying. People love the game. You need to realize that people actually love the game--not hype-train love it or "irrational" Nintendo love it, but they really really love the way it plays and feels. I didn't play Twilight Princess to the end twice due to an irrational love for Nintendo, no matter what you think. I played it twice to completion and loved it. If you're saying people only love it because people around them love it, you're telling me what I actually felt about a game was wrong and deluded. I'm not sitting here saying you thought it was the weakest due to an irrational hate for Nintendo, so don't say I thought it was great because everyone around me did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 @P4, I think GTA IV is a prime example of a game getting reviews far better than it should have because reviewers were rating the name more than the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 I think GTA IV is an example of a franchise finally living up to it's name, myself. Taste is subjective. I love TP and I love GTA 4. I don't like GTA 3 or San Andreas, nor do I think Ocarina of Time is that great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4: Gritty Reboot Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 @P4, I think GTA IV is a prime example of a game getting reviews far better than it should have because reviewers were rating the name more than the game. I think I agree with your opinion about the game: I didn't care much for GTAIV, myself. But Johnny above me here loved it. I can accept that my opinion simply differs, and reviewers didn't feel beholden to rate a name rather than a game. Think about it: there are 86 reviews listed on MC for the 360 version of GTAIV. You're suggesting that not one reviewer amongst them was bold enough to break out of the massive conspiracy to rate GTA games highly and give it the 7 or 7.5 it deserved. The lowest score is an 80. That suggests, to me, that I'm just in the minority in my opinion, and others found a lot to love. I'm okay with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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