madbassman39 Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 PSN game purchases won't transfer from PS3 to PS4. Though really that's kind of a "no shit" thing since there's no b/c between the two. What I'll be interested to find out is when they get those games streaming to the PS4 whether you'll have to buy them again or whether it will recognize that you already bought them. What bothers me about this is I have a few full retail games I bought via PSN. There has to be some way to work around this, because that would be stupid to lock out those who bought into their day one digital purchase system they've been pushing for some while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 I saw it mentioned you'd be able to stream games if you pop the disc in (it'll still be able to read disc, even if it can't fully process the data), but I've not seen that as any official word. That's a really cool idea that I hadn't thought of. In my comment I was more talking about PSN games, since I hadn't imagined a way they could deal with discs. I figure that even though the actual code you've already downloaded won't work, when you try to stream the game it could look and see that yes, you bought it on PS3 so you can go ahead and stream it for free. That would work for the digital retail games madbass is concerned about too. The game is already tied to your account, so they should be able to allow streaming of it without issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 Problem with that is that a lot of distribution deals are platform specific and others are quite tightly worded about how you deliver. The number of titles that are (a) Streamable, (b) Are not limited to GEN3 and © Have streaming rights are probably pretty small. Not to mention difficulties with e.g. THQ titles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr. GOH! Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 Looks neat. Will it be $600? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 I want to slap people in jeans shirt and jacket combos. When all four of them turned up dressed like that it pissed me off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingGerbil Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 the casual shirts were super ugly as well. I guess some of the geek stereotypes are true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 Worst offender was guy on far left with awful jacket plus t-shirt under shirt. Why not just go full suit? You're appearing in front of literally millions of people. Dress the fuck up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredEffinChopin Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) They definitely are taking the general route I was praying they would. They're focused on some of the biggest shortcomings of the PS3 that held them back, and are making sure they they don't have anything that even resembles those problem this time around. They're not trying to re-invent the way we game, but are leaving the door open for some new possibilities... It seems like they're working closely with 3rd parties, and are really coming out swinging in terms of software if those are release titles... Anyway, lemme bitch, since there isn't much of that going on. I didn't appreciate the part of the presentation that tried to sell me on what basically amounts to my system monitoring my habits for marketing purposes. If they had brought it up and left it at that it would be one thing, but the fact that they were trying to get me excited over it as if it helps me and not them was something I found a bit condescending. "Imagine! Everything you might want to buy, ALREADY DOWNLOADED onto your PS4; without you having to ask." I'm imagining it, and it lands somewhere between annoying and... No, it's mostly something I don't care for. I've never had a problem locating the games I want to play. I usually know about them well before they drop. This is not the feature I've been begging for. On top of that, anything that monitors my habits and reports them to a corporation is something I want off. I know I already bitched about this in here, but the lack of talk button breaks my heart. It pretty much guarantees that I'll never use any of their cross-game voice-orgy social bullshit that they're trying to force. So now there are headsets in the box so everyone is chatting, and nothing at all is keeping the experience from being obnoxious. I also think the wired headset thing is lame in 2013, but I understand it's meant to be entry-level, to get the ball rolling. Also, it sounds like they're trying to have a more intimate layer of friends list or something, where you can share more personal stuff... I'm not really sure what the point of that is. I've never had trouble keeping track of my friends' PSN IDs, or needed a picture of their face to remind me of what they look like. As a person who hates the fact that there are Facebook and Twitter buttons on everything I do nowadays, that business had me rolling my eyes a bit. It troubles me that there was time devoted to that. It's hard for me to be too critical though, since they seem to have mostly spent time cultivating the right features. Ok, I need to heap a little praise actually, despite others getting there first.... I fucking LOVE the media button functionality. I hold myself back from publishing them all on Steam to avoid revealing the exact depth of my spazziness, but since I've been playing on there, taking caps has come to me reflexively, and it hurt me a little every time I went to do it in Ni No Kuni and remembered that I can't. The always-on recording of games is awesome, and while I might not broadcast my own play much, I can imagine I'd enjoy watching one of the top-tens go at it in something like Super Stardust HD. But yeah, you guys have discussed most of the cool features already. Thanks to Malicious for quelling my used game fears. That is pretty much the only thing I was waiting on that would have made me dismiss the system altogether. As things stand, I am in. Probably not day one, but most likely within the first year. I'm kinda psyched. Overall I thought the presentation was great. *edit* I did get my $10 voucher, btw. In the middle of gaming, Tuesday night. Edited February 21, 2013 by FredEffinChopin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 Don't get the reticence to have things recommended to you based on purchasing habits. Sony has your credit card details. If they want to go full evil they will just clean you out and run to the Caymans. Given an option between having things I don't like e.g. the much maligned (though to my mind unobtrusive) Singstar thing foisted on everyone at least SEN will see that I've not purchased a musical thing for years, and will not install that, they will also see that I go nuts for RPGs and will float those and their DLC to the top of my list. It doesn't bother me when Amazon does it. In fact, it quite often helps draw my eye to a deal or a product that I would otherwise have overlooked. So Sony will know that you like certain types of films / games, so what? As for the tinfoil hat brigade running around crying 1984 because of the camera. I really don't think that Sony are terribly interested in spying on you in your living room. I might invent some sort of cover and liberate those clowns of their money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vecha Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 I really hope they work out something to transfer my purchases from PSN to PS4...otherwise, I won't be buying ANYTHING digital come the "next gen". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredEffinChopin Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 Don't get the reticence to have things recommended to you based on purchasing habits. Sony has your credit card details. If they want to go full evil they will just clean you out and run to the Caymans. Given an option between having things I don't like e.g. the much maligned (though to my mind unobtrusive) Singstar thing foisted on everyone at least SEN will see that I've not purchased a musical thing for years, and will not install that, they will also see that I go nuts for RPGs and will float those and their DLC to the top of my list. It doesn't bother me when Amazon does it. In fact, it quite often helps draw my eye to a deal or a product that I would otherwise have overlooked. So Sony will know that you like certain types of films / games, so what? As for the tinfoil hat brigade running around crying 1984 because of the camera. I really don't think that Sony are terribly interested in spying on you in your living room. I might invent some sort of cover and liberate those clowns of their money. They can't do that with credit card details though (decide to use it to look up my buying habits and use/sell them), not legally or easily. It's not so much recommendations alone that bother me, though I don't like that either, whether it's in Amazon, youtube, or PSN. It's rarely correct about what I'm looking for, and in the case of youtube, suggestions used to be helpful when they were based on the video I'm currently watching, rather than the history it's collected on me. It's also the idea that your system *might be* constantly working in the background based on that. I understand that it's not going to be a resource issue given the architecture, but it's just not an idea that sits well with me; even if all it uses is bandwidth. As far as the presentation goes, as I said, it seemed like they were trying to get me (the gamer) excited about something that is mainly an asset to developers and Sony. Their marketing capability is not what I'd call a feature that excites me, and the end result I predict from it is a visual clusterfuck of a store that is constantly trying to shove shit in my face when I know what I'm looking for, or when I want a neat list to scan through. I only pray they keep it in the store, and not in the main system interface. Yes, advertising is mostly innocuous, but I still don't want it in my face constantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted February 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 Yeah I'm kinda fine with the recommendation stuff, I've bemoaned many time about Steams lackluster offering in that dept ("you own super popular game everyone has, therefore you must like super popular game everyone also has/irrelevant game"). Sony has a few thousand games to pick from, so a bit of a "oh btw you've not heard of this game, but you might like it" is nice to have now n then. Cos there will be a lot of games I've not heard of, and discoverability can be a real PITA these days for content producers and consumers. As for the headset I'd assume just like the PS3 it'll support Bluetooth headsets. PS3 has never not supported headsets, it's just people didn't have that first headset so folks complained there wasn't much communication going on. A shitty mono headset will be enough to work, but still cheap enough to throw one in every box and still let folks use a bluetooth headset like before. As for purchasing: Wait a year unless you're super duper hyped for something only out on PS4. Gives time for a price cut, things like RROD to be uncovered, game library to be built up (and launch titles to drop in price) and you can pick up 10 games for the console so you're not buying it, having three games to play then being all "I'm bored now". edit: I don't think Thursday meant they could use your CC to look up purchasing habits, he meant they could use your CC details to clear all the money out of your account. Cayman Islands are a tax haven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayc4life Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 I'm looking forward to picking one up some time in 2015. At that point, it'll be a full calendar year out in Europe, have a decent selection of games, might finally have backwards-compatibility sorted and more importantly, be at an affordable price where I can justify buying it just for all my SPORTZ GAEMS needs and a handful of exclusives. I'm OK waiting because I just built my gaming PC last July and I'm super-confident that this setup should be able to handle most of the initial wave of PS4 multi-platform games like Watch Dogs (fuck you underscore!) with relative ease. I'm really interested in the live streaming/remote-handover feature though. That's pretty ace sounding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingGerbil Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 I'm not too bothered about recommendations or to be honest what games i buy being logged but i dont really want stuff being downloaded by itself since i have a bandwidth cap. especially if the recommendations are publisher sponsored Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 Yeah, I don't mind recommendations either, like TN said sometimes they're even helpful, but I really don't want the console automatically downloading shit just because it thinks I'll like it. I don't even have a bandwidth cap, but that's just not something I want it to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 Don't get the reticence to have things recommended to you based on purchasing habits. Sony has your credit card details. If they want to go full evil they will just clean you out and run to the Caymans. Given an option between having things I don't like e.g. the much maligned (though to my mind unobtrusive) Singstar thing foisted on everyone at least SEN will see that I've not purchased a musical thing for years, and will not install that, they will also see that I go nuts for RPGs and will float those and their DLC to the top of my list. It doesn't bother me when Amazon does it. In fact, it quite often helps draw my eye to a deal or a product that I would otherwise have overlooked. So Sony will know that you like certain types of films / games, so what? As for the tinfoil hat brigade running around crying 1984 because of the camera. I really don't think that Sony are terribly interested in spying on you in your living room. I might invent some sort of cover and liberate those clowns of their money. They can't do that with credit card details though (decide to use it to look up my buying habits and use/sell them), not legally or easily. It's not so much recommendations alone that bother me, though I don't like that either, whether it's in Amazon, youtube, or PSN. It's rarely correct about what I'm looking for, and in the case of youtube, suggestions used to be helpful when they were based on the video I'm currently watching, rather than the history it's collected on me. It's also the idea that your system *might be* constantly working in the background based on that. I understand that it's not going to be a resource issue given the architecture, but it's just not an idea that sits well with me; even if all it uses is bandwidth. As far as the presentation goes, as I said, it seemed like they were trying to get me (the gamer) excited about something that is mainly an asset to developers and Sony. Their marketing capability is not what I'd call a feature that excites me, and the end result I predict from it is a visual clusterfuck of a store that is constantly trying to shove shit in my face when I know what I'm looking for, or when I want a neat list to scan through. I only pray they keep it in the store, and not in the main system interface. Yes, advertising is mostly innocuous, but I still don't want it in my face constantly. I don't mean they can use your credit card to recommend, I mean if they are truly evil they will use your credit card to take the money off of your credit card and spend it on hookers and blow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 PS4 will not be always-on. I think we all figured that already but this quote cracked me up: "Oh yes, yes, you can go offline totally," Yoshida said. "Social is big for us, but we understand there are some people who are anti-social. So if you don't want to connect to anyone else, you can do that." It's okay if you don't want to be online, you anti-social, child-murdering psychopath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 BUT WHAT ERRBOUT DIABLO 3? I mean we should be able to blame Sony because Blizzard made it always online. Also I enjoyed the event. Specifically chatting with buddies and taking any chance to say HALF LIFE 3 CONFIRMED. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madbassman39 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 The more I see of the controller, the more I like it. Sony finally got the triggers right by curving them inwards instead of outwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercurial Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 You mean outwards instead of inwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted February 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Since I think one of you is based on the lip of the trigger and the other on the middle you could just say concave and convex. Also the ..prongs or whatever palm rests, are almost directly based on the NavCon of the Move, much more rounded than prior Dualshocks. I assume that's based on the "I have manly hands that crush tinsy Dulashock" complaints. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madbassman39 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 You mean outwards instead of inwards. Thats it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Jimmy Fallon got to play some Killzone 4. I imagine Sony felt they needed to earn people's trust after that Killzone 2 FMV trailer scandal, and they're right. They did. http://youtu.be/rGlu3e9kdks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 You mean outwards instead of inwards. Thats it. I beg to differ, I'm pretty sure they're curved topwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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