Playstation 4

[CorgiShinobi]

I looked online to see if anyone else lately was experiencing my issue too and there have been many threads online in the last few days with people experiencing a problem with Rest Mode.

 

I mean, you're right it has happened in the past, but for me it would be rare for it to say pulsating, but also holding the Power button would fix it quick. Now I can't even hold down the Power button to force a shutdown.

[Thursday Next]

Definitely a 2.0 issue. Between this and Drive Club Sony are undoing a *lot* of goodwill.

[Mister Jack]

Has anyone else been using Shareplay extensively?  How well does it work for you?  I've only tried it a couple of times and the performance has been mixed for me.

[TheMightyEthan]

My friend and I tried it, it was pretty neat. A great way to try out games.

 

*Edit - And shockingly little lag considering we live in separate towns.

[TCP]

That was a bit of a tease with the Final Fantasy VII reveal, but I think getting a slightly spruced up version is all we're ever going to get, at least anytime soon. However, it would be a lot better on Vita, but I guess the PS1 version is playable there.

 

 

Lot's of awesome indie games today. Count me excited for:

Super Time Force Ultra

Bastion

Shovel Knight

Edited December 6, 2014 by The Cowboy Poet

[toxicitizen]

I already own (and played) both Bastion and Shovel Knight on Steam and even I can't help but be excited about them coming to Vita/PS4.

 

Lots of great announcements at the PSX Keynote. I can't help but wonder what the fuck Microsoft are thinking/doing. PlayStation (and even Nintendo) are getting tons of hype while they had basically zero presence at The Game Awards. It's like once they outsold the PS4 for a single month they just jammed their thumbs up their asses and figured that was good enough.

[TCP]

That's my whole issue with Microsoft in a nutshell. I mean, all three of them are guilty of this, but Microsoft is the worst for letting their foot off the gas, I think we saw that majorly in the last few years of the 360 lifecycle.

[toxicitizen]

Yeah, and not only that but when they inevitably start lagging behind they just throw a bunch of money around to try and fix things. Which is my main issue with them.

 

Like, I don't have a problem with a first-party hiring/cooperating with a third-party to make an exclusive for them, as long as they get involved early on and it's very much their project or IP. Sony are doing it with Bloodborne, for example. Sunset Overdrive was a similar situation, I believe. They funded it, it's theirs. Likewise with Scalebound. I hate that Platinum Games are making yet another exclusive for a system I don't own or want but Microsoft aren't doing anything wrong there.

 

But buying exclusivity late in development on something that would never have been exclusive otherwise (like Rise of the Tomb Raider) is a fucking load of shit. It's not adding value to their platform, it's removing value from other platforms. It's one thing to do it on DLC but an entire game? It doesn't benefit anyone but them and, imho, it just hurts the industry overall. This shitty business practice is the main reason why I have no desire to buy an Xbox.

[Mister Jack]

That was a bit of a tease with the Final Fantasy VII reveal, but I think getting a slightly spruced up version is all we're ever going to get, at least anytime soon. However, it would be a lot better on Vita, but I guess the PS1 version is playable there.

 

 

An FFVII remake is never going to happen.  If it hasn't happened by now, it's not gonna happen ever.

[toxicitizen]

An FFVII remake is never going to happen.  If it hasn't happened by now, it's not gonna happen ever.

Damn right it won't. And you know what? I don't fucking want it to happen. I'd rather they make new games than waste resources remaking FFVII with AAA production values. It's not like the game is mechanically dated, it's still perfectly playable in its current form. It would literally just be remaking all the art assets with higher fidelity. Waste of fucking time, imho. If people can't deal with dated graphics, that's their problem and they should get over it.

Edited December 7, 2014 by FLD

[Mal]

They could just make a movie retelling the story with fancy visuals. That really all people are after because, right? Come on, it's just a turn-based JRPG which we have tons of now. It would also not involve a whole game studio to work on. If they could do it with Advent Children then I think they can do it for the original story. It would also be something I would be down for. A game? Not so much.

[Eleven]

The graphics are really awful though (by today's standards). You can't blame people for hating it. It was a shame this game got released when people were in the "let's make 3D games!" phase.

Edited December 7, 2014 by Eleven

[toxicitizen]

Yeah, early 3D graphics have admittedly aged horribly. But who cares? Games aren't all about graphics.

 

I have a hard time taking seriously the opinion of someone who can't play a game because of dated graphics. Dated gameplay is one thing, but graphics? I mean, come on. We're not talking about pre-NES pixel graphics here. It might not be pretty but it's hardly getting in the way of enjoying the game.

[Eleven]

It's an old, beloved game. The people asking for ports are people who played it already. At least most of them. They ask for it because they believe that it will make the game even better. I liked Mal's suggestion, as I'm going to play the remastered game anyway purely to see the story.

 

The point is not about bad graphics, per se. They just want to make an already great game better. Would it actually make it better? Personally, being able to see the emotion in the characters faces and hear it in their voice would be a huge improvement for a story driven game.

 

If there's demand (people ask for it all the time), and an audience (possibly the new generation of gamers), then I think they should make it.

 

And honestly, I hate the idea that everyone should be able to enjoy decades old games. That is an unfair expectation. But that's a different topic i'd rather not get into.

[Mal]

I think it will happen but it'll involve the main Playstation Final Fantasy games (VIII and IX). Three remakes with more or less the same engine. They'll get the most bang for their buck like that. They've done it for some of the SNES titles. We're getting closer and closer to the 20 year mark so I would expect 2017 for VII, 2018/2019 for VIII and 2019/2020 for IX. Then who knows, they might upgrade the engine for X and keep going. We'll see...

 

If it happens, I'll expect bitching because people are whiny assholes. I prefer a movie...

[toxicitizen]

It's an old, beloved game. The people asking for ports are people who played it already. At least most of them. They ask for it because they believe that it will make the game even better. I liked Mal's suggestion, as I'm going to play the remastered game anyway purely to see the story.

 

The point is not about bad graphics, per se. They just want to make an already great game better. Would it actually make it better? Personally, being able to see the emotion in the characters faces and hear it in their voice would be a huge improvement for a story driven game.

And I honestly can't say I see how better graphics will make the game inherently better. I mean, the game works as it is. Asking for better presentation at this point just seems kind of superficial to me. Can't we just appreciate it for the classic that it is? Honestly, replaying Final Fantasy VII nowadays, it being such a retro experience would actually be a big part of the appeal for me.

 

If there's demand (people ask for it all the time), and an audience (possibly the new generation of gamers), then I think they should make it.

Let's not forget we're talking about a company that is already struggling to release the games that it is actually working on. Do we really want them to spend their time and energy on a remake?

 

And honestly, I hate the idea that everyone should be able to enjoy decades old games. That is an unfair expectation. But that's a different topic i'd rather not get into.

I'm certainly not trying to be unfair, I simply think there's little validity to the notion that being graphically dated robs a game of its value. I mean, cinematography has come a long way since the 1940s. Does Citizen Kane suffer so much from technological advances in the field that it needs to be remade? Not that I'm trying to compare FFVII to it but I think you get my point.

 

 

I think it will happen but it'll involve the main Playstation Final Fantasy games (VIII and IX). Three remakes with more or less the same engine. They'll get the most bang for their buck like that. They've done it for some of the SNES titles. We're getting closer and closer to the 20 year mark so I would expect 2017 for VII, 2018/2019 for VIII and 2019/2020 for IX. Then who knows, they might upgrade the engine for X and keep going. We'll see...

 

If it happens, I'll expect bitching because people are whiny assholes. I prefer a movie...

Do you mean the mobile releases? I haven't followed them all that closely but weren't they more like remasters? I know FFVI had terrible new sprite work but I don't think any of them were straight up remakes. Arguably, what's happening with FFVII and FFVIII (at least on PC) right now is the very same treatment. Likewise FFX HD for PS3 and Vita. I don't think there's been a proper remake since the handheld versions of FFIII and FFIV. So, I don't think an actual remake is a given, honestly.

Edited December 7, 2014 by FLD

[TCP]

If they DID do an actual remake of Final Fantasy VII it better have Shuhei Yoshida as a playable character. It's 2014, I'm not interested in playing non-Shuhei games.

[Mister Jack]

If they do remake FFVII (they won't), they should rewrite the script because the story of FFVII was incomprehensible garbage.

[Eleven]

 

And honestly, I hate the idea that everyone should be able to enjoy decades old games. That is an unfair expectation. But that's a different topic i'd rather not get into.

I'm certainly not trying to be unfair, I simply think there's little validity to the notion that being graphically dated robs a game of its value. I mean, cinematography has come a long way since the 1940s. Does Citizen Kane suffer so much from technological advances in the field that it needs to be remade? Not that I'm trying to compare FFVII to it but I think you get my point.

 

 

I get your point, I also don't agree with it. While I myself can appreciate old games, since I grew up playing those, the same may not be true for players who grew up in the PS3 era. Honestly, we've come a long, long way in terms of animating and voice acting, that the FFVII experience can certainly, without a doubt, be improved if it was remade today.

 

There is such a huge difference in the way we experienced those games, because at the time, that was cutting edge. That was it and we were happy. This day, we look back, and since we experienced it, we can better appreciate the game as it was. To younger gamers, it's going to be different. Story-based games today have all the bells and whistles. You can approach the game and treat is as a classic, approach the game with that mindset, but still, i don't think it's going to be the same. They're not going to be wowed by the animation (we were, because before this we just had sprites), they're not going to be wowed by the dialogue (we were, because having no voice acting was the standard). Those things will have a different feel, because they're going from new tech to old tech. They can appreciate it like "Ah, this is how it was done before. Cool", but that's different than "Woah, this is the shit right here. So cool!".

 

Graphics is not everything. But it's so in your face that it affects you even if you think it doesn't matter. People get annoyed with animations are janky righy? Like Skyrim and all the Bethesda games? Sure, graphics are not everything, but there's a limit to the amount of bad graphics you can take. Skyrim graphics is acceptable, but I don't think blocky PS1 graphics are. They might be fine, but you cannot expect new gamers to, basically, "deal with it".

 

This only loosely ties up to the mythical FFVII remake. I'm not saying that all classic games should be remade just so the newer generation can enjoy it. But I think some remakes have a point. As I said, I would love to watch FFVII in hi def, instead of little blocky sprites. I think there's value in it, and I think its justified to ask for it, since it's an exceptional game.

Edited December 7, 2014 by Eleven

[toxicitizen]

I get your point, I also don't agree with it. While I myself can appreciate old games, since I grew up playing those, the same may not be true for players who grew up in the PS3 era. Honestly, we've come a long, long way in terms of animating and voice acting, that the FFVII experience can certainly, without a doubt, be improved if it was remade today.

Let me put it another way: I don't think a purely visual upgrade brings enough value to the table to justify the existence of a full-on AAA remake. I'd rather devs create new experiences than needlessly rehash the past. I mean, let's be honest here. Is FFVII really the masterpiece everyone remembers it to be? The main thing it had going for it back then was its presentation. That's what blew people's minds and was ground-breaking. But beyond that, it's fairly standard JRPG fare. I don't think making it look pretty all over again is a particularly good use of time and money.

 

There is such a huge difference in the way we experienced those games, because at the time, that was cutting edge. That was it and we were happy. This day, we look back, and since we experienced it, we can better appreciate the game as it was. To younger gamers, it's going to be different. Story-based games today have all the bells and whistles. You can approach the game and treat is as a classic, approach the game with that mindset, but still, i don't think it's going to be the same. They're not going to be wowed by the animation (we were, because before this we just had sprites), they're not going to be wowed by the dialogue (we were, because having no voice acting was the standard). Those things will have a different feel, because they're going from new tech to old tech. They can appreciate it like "Ah, this is how it was done before. Cool", but that's different than "Woah, this is the shit right here. So cool!".

I'd argue there's more to games than being wowed but I suppose that'll vary from person to person. I do believe there is inherent value to revisiting classics, though, regardless of nostalgia. But I'll grant you not everyone will be able to see or appreciate that value. Although, personally, I do find that "Ah, this is how it was done before" can absolutely bring an experience along the lines of "Yeah, this is the shit right here". Again, I suppose YMMV, but I mean, some older games are so unique and special because the technical limitations of the time forced designers to get creative.

 

Take Silent Hill, for example. The iconic fog covering the town was only added to hide the absolutely godawful draw distance. But you know what? I played that game for the very first time when it came out on PSN as a PSOne Classic. And despite its dated, blocky PS1 graphics, it still scared the shit out of me. Way more than any other so-called horror games that came out this gen. How is that not fucking awesome? Visuals may age but quality stands the test of time.

 

Graphics is not everything. But it's so in your face that it affects you even if you think it doesn't matter. People get annoyed with animations are janky righy? Like Skyrim and all the Bethesda games? Sure, graphics are not everything, but there's a limit to the amount of bad graphics you can take. Skyrim graphics is acceptable, but I don't think blocky PS1 graphics are. They might be fine, but you cannot expect new gamers to, basically, "deal with it".

Janky and dated are two different things, though. FFVII wasn't poorly made by any stretch of the imagination. A janky game will be harder to enjoy regardless of graphical fidelity. So I think that's an entirely different issue altogether.

 

This only loosely ties up to the mythical FFVII remake. I'm not saying that all classic games should be remade just so the newer generation can enjoy it. But I think some remakes have a point. As I said, I would love to watch FFVII in hi def, instead of little blocky sprites. I think there's value in it, and I think its justified to ask for it, since it's an exceptional game.

I mean, look, it's not like I'm completely against remakes as a general rule. One of my most anticipated releases right now is the remaster of the Resident Evil remake. I just think that in the case of FFVII it's completely unnecessary. And it's not like I completely disagree with you either. Personally, I have a hard time with pre-NES graphics. Shit, even some NES games feel kinda... visually hollow to me. But I really believe that FFVII is just fine the way it currently is. And shit, you know how gamers can be. If FFVII was actually remade, they'd most likely find a way to hate it.

Edited December 7, 2014 by FLD

[Baconrath]

What if then Sqeenix announced an actual HD remake of Crisis Core or DIrge of Cerberus :V

[Mister Jack]

I'd rather Square announce a new mobile app that wipes all memory of Dirge of Cerberus from your brain when you use it. The tumors would be worth it.

[toxicitizen]

I remember renting Dirge of Cerberus and I'm pretty sure I finished it but I remember next to nothing about the actual game. I seriously doubt it was any good but I'd actually be curious enough to replay it, I think. I'd be willing to pay like 5 bucks for it if they put the PS2 version up on PSN.

[Eleven]

If they port crisis core to mobile phones, I would buy it. It'd probably be $20-$30 though...

 

Or just localize Agito (is that still it's name?) on Vita. I wonder what happened to that game...

Edited December 7, 2014 by Eleven

[Mister Jack]

Aw hell, my ps4 hard drive is already full. Guess it's time to look into upgrades. Man, that happened a lot sooner than I thought it would.