Thursday Next Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 I have authorisation, but windows 7.1 (Which I think is what the main restriction will be for office based PCs). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Specs on the PS4k released. Basically it's a slight upgrade to CPU (30%) and RAM bandwidth (24%) and a massive upgrade to GPU (130%). Also it's codenamed "Neo". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted April 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 I imagine it'll likely be more like the DSi bump, would cause issues I think if they went the New 3DS route (Which they have Nintendo to work from). Games will maybe run smoother, less FPS drops n what not but unlikely to have different games. Would sort of defeat the point of consoles if on top of having to install games, and run updates, and deal with crashes, and hard drive management, and all that you also had to check the minimum requirements too..... I wonder if this is cos of the change to X86. In the past consoles it'd be a bespoke chip, and it would be improved over time, they'd usually reduce the NM and thus the power output and slim off a shit ton of the circuitry with each slim n super slim. But with X86 they're mostly off the shelf chips, would make sense I guess to just grab the latest chip off the line than redevelop the chip they already have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 According to the article Sony is forbidding developers from having exclusive PS4k games, and they're also not allowed to even have any exclusive gameplay features or DLC or anything, the only thing they're allowed to change from one to the other is graphical fidelity/framerate. That would also explain why the GPU got so much larger a boost than the CPU or RAM. The thing I'm worried about is devs already seem like they can't be bothered to properly optimize their games on console, and it seems likely that's only going to get worse once the newer version comes out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 That said, while ultimately I'm disappointed about the announcement (disappointed that it's really a hardware upgrade and not just a slim), if it has a 4k bluray player then I'll probably get one and sell my old PS4. Though the weird thing is that Eurogamer says from the specs they've seen it doesn't appear to have a 4k bluray player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted April 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 I doubt a dev unit would need one. Also on the optimising front, games still need to pass by Sony and if they think that your game unsuitably suffers on the original PS4 then they'll likely scrap it. Heck, for testing I'd just use the original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 That's true, I hadn't thought about the dev units not needing one. It's not like they could use the newer discs for games since the games have to be backcompat with the old PS4 anyway, which couldn't read them. With the performance what I really mean is there are some games that have released with what I would consider unacceptable levels of performance already (like Assassin's Creed Unity), but obviously those got past Sony, and I'm just worried those will become the norm on the old version rather than the exception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted April 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Shitty games like that would continue to be the norm regardless of a newer console or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 They're not the norm now, but they do happen, and I'm worried they'll become more common than they already are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Will Sony continue to manufacture and sell old PS4s? What will be the price to buy your way out of the PS4 ghetto and into the (slightly better, but still ghetto compared to PC) PS Neo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Unknown at this point, this is just based on technical info going out to developers, no marketing info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Do we know if Valve is going to shut down Steam before the NEO launches or will they slowly stop supporting it over the course of a few weeks? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 (edited) Do we know if Valve is going to shut down Steam before the NEO launches or will they slowly stop supporting it over the course of a few weeks? Edited April 20, 2016 by Mister Jack 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielpholt Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Will Sony continue to manufacture and sell old PS4s? What will be the price to buy your way out of the PS4 ghetto and into the (slightly better, but still ghetto compared to PC) PS Neo?Gotta think they'd give users who've bought a PS4 in the last few months an option to upgrade for a reduced fee. I think the Giant Bomb guys were talking about 'send in your ps4 and $200 and we'll send you a Neo'. If you've had your PS4 since launch, well then fuck you? Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 I recall that when the PS4/Xbone came out, places like Gamestop and Best Buy there were trade-in deals like trade in your PS3 or 360 for $100 and $x for games. It was pretty damn sweet considering the age of my neglected 360 and it helped me buy my Asus T100. It made me spend money at Best Buy so it I can imagine them doing something similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Yeah, I sincerely doubt the manufacturers are going to offer any special deals to recent buyers, but it wouldn't surprise me to see places like GameStop offering special trade-in deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielpholt Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Yeah, I sincerely doubt the manufacturers are going to offer any special deals to recent buyers, but it wouldn't surprise me to see places like GameStop offering special trade-in deals.Kind of a shitty way to treat people that you'll eventually want to buy that new console though isn't it? Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Yeah, but par for the course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted April 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 The console manufactures don't sell you the console. As mentioned it's likely Gamestop/GAME/local equivalent will do trade-in deals like they always do with newer consoles but I don't think there's any precedent for the manufacturers doing it. What'd they do with the second hand consoles? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingGerbil Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 I know it's not quite the same situation, but nintendo's ambassador programme when they had the hefty price drop on 3ds is the nearest thing I can think of where the manufacturers directly made a gesture of good will. So they could offer a selection of games for download, like they did with the pan outage, if they're sony published it wouldn't cost them that much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 I can think of a few Sony 1st-party PS4 games that inexplicably haven't been on plus yet. Killzone and Knack are the first two that spring to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielpholt Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) Who's going to buy this thing if they've already got a PS4 and developers aren't incentivised to really use the new hardware? Of course Ethan forgot about Tearaway Unfolded. Heartless bastard. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Edited April 22, 2016 by danielpholt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Tearaway Unfolded is still fairly recent, I was specifically thinking of older/launch games that haven't been free yet. Re: incentives, apparently beginning with games released in October developers are required to make Neo and Base versions of their games (which are on the same disc and just launch the appropriate code depending on which console you put it in), and the Neo version must have a native resolution of 1080p or higher, and must have a frame rate equal to or higher than the base version. It's a condition of developing for PS4 at all, which seems like a pretty strong incentive to me considering how many millions of base PS4's are out there that developers are going to want to get at. Granted, that could result in lots of devs just bumping the Neo version up to 1080p and calling it done, and lots of games already meet that target at least some of the time. Any games with dynamic resolution scaling could just turn that off to lock it at 1080p and from my understanding that would satisfy the requirements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted May 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2016 I posted this on Twitter, should totally share here. I know little of the technical dowitzits going on but apparently the "Help" functionality in PS4 provides a bit of a gateway to hacking the system which means this happens: Ideally it could be trimmed, but I guess if you do that folks will be all "but you cut straight from booting Linux into Steam then into Bastion. FAAKKEE!". By accounts it runs like shit at the moment, but it's a work in progress and Linux isn't ideal for gaming at best of times. But given the heft inside a PS4 it should be a pretty capable system for running smaller indie titles n such. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 Hey Ethan, don't you have a Logitech k400 keyboard? Does that work on a PS4? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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