Mr. GOH! Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 It's funny how you guys totally voted an masse to become Airstrip One. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 Neat solution to climate change. Make sure no one can talk about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 And freeze all grants and hiring for the EPA. That's going to screw with any upcoming and perhaps ongoing EPA-related work. The hiring freeze also seems to extend to other federal agencies like the IRS of all things (hard to confirm a mobile screenshot of an email stating such). Neat. This and all the other things this administration has done in 4-5 days is neat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 Came across an interesting point of view, I was talking to a Californian last night and while at a federal level Trump is a Bad Thing™, he is on that Republican bent of not doing "big government" so places like California will be more self-governing and still be nice, tolerant, progressive places to live. Maybe even more so without the colossal drag effect of the bible belt et al. Of course, some places will hurtle backwards in time, but not all of America will be a disaster zone... Probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 Yeah, that person is wrong. The GOP and Trump will use federal law and the courts to override progressive state laws and, especially, state regulations under the Supremacy Clause. The Bush administration did it, and the Trump administration will do it big time. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 The state government will still afford some protection, and they'll be better off than those of us in places with Republican state governments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 So our president is in favor of torture. Wonderful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 Wonderful. I've been saying that everyday since Friday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Yeah, you guys are fucked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Imagine that they axe the Department of the Interior and all related nature-y agencies for being hippie liberal terrorists (I'm Alt-Right Mal and I says KILL THEM ALL) that uses facts about the world to enlighten fellow Americans about the Lovecraftian horror that is climate change from scientific insight. FRENZIED. I'm sober and sane. I think? It's just odd to see science-y folks (even those I know) being a bit riled up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnine Tenshi Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Unfortunately, them being fucked means us being fucked, TCP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Imagine that they axe the Department of the Interior and all related nature-y agencies for being hippie liberal terrorists (I'm Alt-Right Mal and I says KILL THEM ALL) that uses facts about the world to enlighten fellow Americans about the Lovecraftian horror that is climate change from scientific insight. FRENZIED. I'm sober and sane. I think? It's just odd to see science-y folks (even those I know) being a bit riled up. I don't understand what you're saying in this post. Why is it odd to see science folks getting riled up about them axing programs and putting gag orders on agencies? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Unfortunately, them being fucked means us being fucked, TCP. Yeah this is something that annoys me about online discourse around US elections, when you're kinda shut down because you're not from the US, despite the fact the US affects everywhere. I mean, our little tiny island nation brought down the global markets over a single vote. US dollar impact nearly every conversion rate, if US starts reversing on climate change that impacts the globe, if trump decides that North Korea needs dealing with in a more permanent fashion then it's Europe that houses a chunk of the nukes. Oh god and the "you've not lived through fascism how can you not it and the impact". Europe had a good old argument on the pros and cons of fascism and tens of millions of dead people, countless destroyed towns and cities, and we decided it was a bad thing. Because we like to not repeat ourselves it gets covered a fair bit (including US role in the rise of Hitler & Mussolini through instigating the great depression and protectionism/isolationism which Trump seems to want to start off again with reduced immigration, pulling out of UN and such). You can put lipstick on a pig and call it alt-right but it's fascism at the end of the day. Yes Trump isn't Hitler, for one Hitler was much more charismatic and intelligent, but he's still taking many of the same steps that Hitler and the Nazis took in rise to power knowingly or not. Woe be the day Republicans and the "alt-right" get an actually charismatic candidate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalCaveman Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 I've seen a lot of people say "well, country X/Y/Z went through similar and they're fine now, so it'll be alright for the US", which IMO, is kinda naive, as I think it's not fair to compare the economic/military power/influence of a small third world country to that of the US, but eh, I guess I sort of appreciate the optimism. Meanwhile, our president cancelled a meeting with Trump, over the whole wall thingy, and now talks are underway to further expand economic treaties with Asia/Europe in order to lessen our dependence on US exports and imports. Also this: http://thebulletin.org/press-release/board-moves-clock-ahead10433?platform=hootsuite We're now at two and a half minutes to midnight, so that's a thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 America has pretty good institutions, so I think we'll probably come through this without it destroying our democracy. That said, it's naive in the extreme to believe that it doesn't pose a threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 I am perplexed as to how faith in institutions is any comfort when the government is expressly set on dismantling those very same institutions. That Turmp was elected should be a sign that our institutions are not as strong as we thought. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 How does Trump's election show that the institutions are not strong? And anyway, I'm not saying they won't do long-term damage, just that whatever damage is done will probably not be irreparable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Not governmental (yet?), but the Fourth Estate is pretty fucked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Well, the institutions of the political parties were not strong enough to prevent a madman from getting elected, for starters. That the madman and his party repeatedly vow to bring down the institutions you claim are strong indicates that the public doesn't believe in those institutions. Since institutions rely on public support for their strength, I'd take the election as a sign of their weakness. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Bannon has declared the press "The opposition party". So that's healthy.https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/business/media/stephen-bannon-trump-news-media.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Imagine that they axe the Department of the Interior and all related nature-y agencies for being hippie liberal terrorists (I'm Alt-Right Mal and I says KILL THEM ALL) that uses facts about the world to enlighten fellow Americans about the Lovecraftian horror that is climate change from scientific insight. FRENZIED. I'm sober and sane. I think? It's just odd to see science-y folks (even those I know) being a bit riled up. I don't understand what you're saying in this post. Why is it odd to see science folks getting riled up about them axing programs and putting gag orders on agencies? It's odd in the way like seeing someone acting in a way you don't usually see them act. Like seeing a poker face smashed or something along those lines. Now imagine the huge majority of the scientific community do it. Sure, prior to the last week, individuals get riled up and do political activism. The possibility of a majority of scientists getting pissed off due to axed programs and gag orders was there as well. It's natural and part of things. So is the DEFCON levels and what just happened with the scientific community is like witnessing DEFCON 3-2. With that said, when something is odd to me it is also interesting. To that I go with my usual "Huh...". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Okay, I get it. It's odd in that it's novel, not that they shouldn't be reacting that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) Lately I've been worried. I mean, I really am concerned about the population of these United States. I don't align perfectly with either liberal or conservative, again I'm kinda stuck in the middle on your average day. After this election, I'm beginning to wonder if there's any difference. I'm reading comments and articles that I swear would be conservative nutjob rhetoric dressed with close-minded logic circa 2009. I'm seeing racism on both ends, ad hominems used as justification to attack one's neighbor and elitism layered with self-righteousness. When people began freaking the hell out after the results and claiming half of America was their enemy, I took it as hyperbole. Like, at the end of the day we have to view each other as human beings and see the world past a black-and-white, protag-antag worldview. Now I see an article about how Californians want to secede from the US? Remember how much shit Texans got a few years back and at least they have their own power grid to be a possible "nation." I feel depressed when I see people and friends I thought were level-headed begin going on a downward spiral of anger. It makes one blind to their actions and see how once they abhorred that behavior. Mocking someone's accent and country of origin. Do you want immigrants to feel welcome only if they rally with you? I don't think Trump is going to be the one to split America, I earnestly believe it's going to be the citizens. If you wake up and think you're going out into a battlefield, you might as well be romanticizing the spirit of the Civil War. Us vs Them, Etc. Edited January 29, 2017 by Atomsk88 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 On one hand the "muslim ban" by Trump is pretty fucking shitty (and questionable given the countries that are and aren't included and some of the interesting Trump related coincidences that pop up..) but on the other hand quite heart warming to see the response to it. Oh except Mays response, she continues to be pretty shitty. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 I can't help but narrow my eyes on Bannon. He shouldn't be where he is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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