Mister Jack Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 Yeah that poll question oughta be changed. But I think that no, he won't be dragged out because he's a coward. He'll put up a tough front for as long as he possibly can but he's not about to risk actual body harm. When he's told to GTFO, he'll leave, probably complaining the whole time about how he was cheated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 In someways, I like that poll since I was once for the death penalty but I changed my vote years after. With that said, probably best to not try to be the exception to the rule. This shit won't be ending for a long long time. Next four plus years will be questionable and probably all too exciting in a bad way. I'm really pessimistic. When this pandemic started (for me it's more like late Jan/early Feb), I knew it was going to be bad but this... is something. Now I look at the next 4+ years and I see bad. Ugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 It was basically 7 justices saying "this isn't even worth hearing" and the 2 others saying "we should hear the case, but you'll still lose after we do." There was no universe where it went any other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 Electoral college just solidified Biden's win. Bring on the Trump cope. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 Mitch McConnell is no longer the Majority Leader. How does this work then, as in how/who decides what to vote on on the Senate floor? Is it a 3 way vote between Mitch, Chuck and Kamala? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 Schumer will take over as majority leader. Since Harris is the tiebreaking vote that effectively means Schumer now controls the Senate. About fucking time McConnell went down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 In other news, Trump incited insurrection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 He most certainly did, and nothing bad will ever happen to him as a result of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 Six days in and 2021 is already giving 2020 a run for its money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 Amazing, there are still dipshits that will fall on a sword for Trump. Senator Cruz, Senator Hyde-Smith, Senator Hawley, Senator Kennedy, Senator Tuberville, Senator Marshall and 121 House members. And Ted Cruz is an absolute disgrace of a husband, man and most importantly, person. I absolutely have no respect for him. Also Matt Gaetz face is weird. I'll bully him to hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, TheMightyEthan said: Six days in and 2021 is already giving 2020 a run for its money. I don't care what the calendar says. 2021 doesn't start until Biden is sworn in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 10 hours ago, Mal said: Senator Marshall Woo! Go Kansas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 Posted this in the discord, but I thought I'd share here as well: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 No no no! You can't impeach or remove Trump, you'll only incite more violence! - Tons of Republicans So the threat of violence is a legal and good political tactic. Man, might as well tell John Mattis to throw away any honor he has and have him be a military dictator since if he wanted to he could. Tons of Marines see him as a god. Man, this whole ongoing thing is infuriating. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 If inciting an insurrection isn't grounds for impeachment and removal then frankly, nothing is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 I don't even get it from a political pov. His term is done and Dems have control of both houses. Why not a) get Dems on-side by doing a bi-partisan impeachment (and collect payback later) and; b) ensure that the next republican president (whenever that may be) is a more predictable, moderate, reliable one? Trump isn't a career politician, he doesn't have the clout of e.g. Clinton around the Capitol. Once he loses the White House he's toast (until next election season), he doesn't have the backing of any of the civilian agencies (except maybe ICE). His base can froth at the mouth all they want, but they can't hurt the reps by voting in Trump again, ever, and there is no way they are going to vote for Kamala or AOC (who would be my bets for next Dem candidate) so the risk minimal. I'm re-reading The Prince, and I'm reminded of this quote: "one has to remark that men ought either to be well treated or crushed, because they can avenge themselves of lighter injuries, of more serious ones they cannot; therefore the injury that is to be done to a man ought to be of such a kind that one does not stand in fear of revenge." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 19 hours ago, Mal said: No no no! You can't impeach or remove Trump, you'll only incite more violence! - Tons of Republicans It's actually not that many Republican politicians though, most of them have either remained silent or said they support impeachment. The people saying you can't impeach him are the few complete crazies in Congress (like Ted Cruz), or non-official right-wing commentators. Hell, even Mitch McConnell reportedly supports impeachment, though he hasn't said it publicly. Most of the establishment Republicans actually hate Trump, and want him out of the party, they've only supported him publicly because it was politically expedient to do so. Well since last Wednesday his approval rating has hit all-time lows of 34% (which is still shockingly high), but even more telling is that he has a 63% disapproval rating. That's insanely high for an American president, and it means there's only 3% of people in the "undecided" category. So I'm hoping this impeachment will given them an out, where they can convict him, and bar him from ever holding federal office again, without having to actually remove him (because he'll already be out of office by the time the trial is done). It's also the safest time to do it, because it's literally as far from the next election as you can possibly get. I don't know if conviction is actually likely, but it's definitely possible, which is far different from last time he was impeached (I still can't get over how insane it is that I have to say that). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 I hate to argue with an actual lawyer on this but I thought they had to convict him before they could even hold the vote on whether or not to bar him from ever running again? Is that not the case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 Not a US lawyer, much less a constitutional US lawyer, but my understanding is the 2/3 vote in the senate decides it and he can't run again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 5 hours ago, Mister Jack said: I hate to argue with an actual lawyer on this but I thought they had to convict him before they could even hold the vote on whether or not to bar him from ever running again? Is that not the case? Sorry, I don't think I explained what I meant very clearly. You're right, they do have to convict him in the Senate to vote on barring him from holding office again. But what I meant was since the trial won't be done until after he's already out of office, a conviction won't remove him from office, he'll already be gone. I think that might make it more palatable to Republicans, because they won't be removing a sitting Republican president from office, they'll just be barring him from running again after the fact. *Edit - Didn't see @Thursday Next's post. Yes and no. A 2/3 vote of the Senate is required to convict him, but once he's convicted they then vote on what the punishment should be. Removal and barring from further office aren't automatic, and the Senate doesn't have to impose them if they don't want to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, TheMightyEthan said: Removal and barring from further office aren't automatic, and the Senate doesn't have to impose them if they don't want to. Sorry, this is incorrect. Removal is automatic if the person is still in office, it's the disqualification that they have to vote on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 5 hours ago, TheMightyEthan said: It's actually not that many Republican politicians though, most of them have either remained silent or said they support impeachment. The people saying you can't impeach him are the few complete crazies in Congress (like Ted Cruz), or non-official right-wing commentators. Hell, even Mitch McConnell reportedly supports impeachment, though he hasn't said it publicly. I think the Venn diagram those who hang around to object to certification and those who don't support impeachment is basically a circle. It's not a majority mind but it's a fair number of them. If we are waiting around for after the 20th or whatever then I do hope Trump is on a very damn strong leash. We have a long week to wait and see. It'll be on Mitch's hand if we don't move forward in a speedy fashion. Either way it would be a great idea for the Republicans to get rid of the cancer that is Trump from their party by convicting him and then barring him. Yes, it will weaken the GOP but it should come out more damn sane. There will always be conservatives so I want them to make their party sane again. Barring that, the sane ones leave and found their own new party. The Dem party is a bit too unwieldy to host moderate conservatives (though moderate dems are close). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 There were only two Republicans in the Senate who objected to certification. It was a majority of them in the House, but then Senate there was almost no backing for it. And the Senate is where he has to be convicted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 (edited) 29% approval is probably the lowest it can get during his presidency but we'll see. His approval rating was like 42% or 30-something% at the start of the year. I wonder if it'll drop lower after he's out and we all have some time to stew. I like to think he can't pull a Bush Jr. and get rehabilitated. In other news... the feds don't have vaccines stockpiled or someone did their inventory wrong. Edited January 16, 2021 by Mal Fixed the embed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 That restores some slight amount of my faith in our country. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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