Mal Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 I feel like a hypocrite for, in ways, demonizing Bradley Manning but respecting the hell out of this guy. They essentially did the same thing, just that the context was different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 This guy accepts the consequences of what he did, and says to him it's worth it, whereas Manning tried and continued to try to avoid any consequences, decrying the injustice of being put on trial for disclosing classified information. I mean, yes, he went to Hong Kong to try to avoid being tried and put in prison, but he gave up his whole life to do it. What bothered me about Manning was not that he tried to avoid getting caught in the first place, it's that once he was he tried to argue that he shouldn't be prosecuted, and he's the victim in all this. Based on Snowden's actions and statements so far it seems like in the event he were captured and returned to US custody he would just accept it as the consequences of his actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 The Mighty Ethan demands a willing martyr! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 That might be going a little far. If you want to try to keep the fact that it was you a secret, or physically hide to avoid capture or whatever that's fine, I'm not saying you have to walk into the nearest FBI field office and turn yourself in. Just, in the event that you actually are caught, don't act like it's so unfair to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredEffinChopin Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22832994 I'm not even sure where to put this, but it's far too good not to share. Lol there is no room with Alex Jones in it that isn't a couple of minutes away from a (one-sided) frantic screaming match.This is pretty much a template for every interview he's ever done. It's like a psychological tick, he's just incapable of hearing things he doesn't like for more than 2 minutes before he loses it. You can almost see him twitch when others speak. It's scary how much support he has though... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance This guy really deserves a lot of credit. He basically gave up his whole life to get this story out. It's a pretty huge, especially considering how clear this administration has made it that they aren't fans of whistleblowing. It's not just me though, right? China seems like a really weird choice for him to be hunkering down under these circumstances, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 The enemy of my enemy? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 Hong Kong is a lot different from China proper. But also, while it is somewhat amusing to hide in China against punishment for leaking info about US domestic spying, he's got a point that China's probably about the only country willing to stand up to America and not just straight up return him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 Yeah Hong Kong is only Chinese as of a decade or so ago. It's meant to be pretty anti-extradition too. But yeah, I doubt China would do as America wills unlike most other countries (ashamedly including ours :/). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 The enemy of my enemy? The freinemy of my enemy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 Not sure where to put this but... http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-preparing-to-deliver-rebels-arms-through-turkey-and-jordan/2013/06/14/e38dabf2-d522-11e2-a73e-826d299ff459_story.html We're going to arm the rebels in Syria. I don't see how this can go wrong. Nope. No wrong. Word of advice to the rebels... don't trust the CIA. Hell, don't even look at them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 Since when has any rebel group clandestinely backed by the CIA ever turned against us after winning power? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheMightyEthan Posted June 24, 2013 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 Obama says that Snowden should be turned back over to the United States, and that we need to make sure "the rule of law is observed." Mr. Obama, I wouldn't think that I would have to remind you, a formal constitutional law professor, about this, but here goes: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." First the NDAA, now Prism, and no doubt other things I'm forgetting/never knew about to begin with, you do not get to invoke the Rule of Law in support of yourself. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted June 26, 2013 Report Share Posted June 26, 2013 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/19/business/ama-recognizes-obesity-as-a-disease.html American Medical Association has officially declared obesity as a disease. Which many words are written about on potential repercussions, it seems to be quite mixed on it being good or bad. Also something about a Senator Davis filibustering for 13hrs yesterday over SB5? All I know is the tweets I read this morning tbh. An Abortion bill as best I can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 26, 2013 Report Share Posted June 26, 2013 People are all concerned that making it a disease will mean everyone will have to make all these concessions, like special theater seats and whatnot. My wife pointed out that alcoholism has been a diagnosable disease for a long time but that doesn't mean they get special treatment when they're drunk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted June 26, 2013 Report Share Posted June 26, 2013 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/26/wendy-davis-abortion-filibuster-chaos Find it odd that you can declare "I am going to waste everyone's time for the next 10 hours." Why not just accept that the person who is going to do it did it and have the vote fail? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 26, 2013 Report Share Posted June 26, 2013 Because then you end up with the federal system where a single person can block a vote by saying "I'm filibustering this" and then going home to bang his mistress or whatever. At least Texas' way you have to actually do it, which means it's going to be something you really care about, not something you're just mildly opposed to. That's why nothing can get through the US senate, because every damn thing gets filibustered. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted June 26, 2013 Report Share Posted June 26, 2013 Yeah gotta say filibustering seems a really weird thing to allow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 26, 2013 Report Share Posted June 26, 2013 Agreed. If you have enough votes to pass the legislation you should have the ability to bring it to a vote in the first place. The original intention was to encourage thoughtful debate by making it so a simple majority can't just jump to a conclusion and pass a law without thinking about it, a minority can say "wait, we need to think this through and be sure we're right" and you have to have a 60% of the legislators say "no, we've discussed this enough to make a reasoned decision." That idea makes sense in theory, but in practice it just devolved into obstructionism. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2013/jul/08/edward-snowden-video-interview Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 So this happened. Thankfully an apology came, but how does something like that happen? I assume an unhappy intern maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 Must be, or someone researching for the channel reading joke names from twitter or some shit and not realizing it's a joke. That happens more than you'd think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRevanchist Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 "I'm Ron Burgundy?" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 http://www.ntsb.gov/news/2013/130712.html Oh that summer intern is so fucked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredEffinChopin Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 I want to throw a fucking brick. I'm not sure which is rubbing me more raw right now, the fact that it's open season on teenagers if you know how to play your cards, or that half of the country will cheer you when you do one in. I mean, let's be honest about what that second part indicates. These people can run around talking about how they're just that happy to see "justice" served all they want, but I'd like to know when the last time was that they were endzone dancing on every news site over another verdict they agreed with. If they're such big fans of legal justice, what was the last trial they watched this closely, and created accounts to post dozens of things about? When is the last time they watched any news? Or read any? Or read? Much of this is indicative of a deep-down and disgusting itch that a lot of people just got scratched, big time. Some of them don't realize it. A lot of them rationalize it as a desire to strike some balance where they feel like political correctness has overshot their purpose. If they really simply feel that way though, they might want to pick something other than the killing of a teenager (under, at best, extremely questionable conditions) to try to make their point, and making the killer out to be some kind of saint. Way to send a message to all these wannabee cops who like to play with real cop tools. Let them know that they are protected. If I were black in Zimmerman's neck of Florida, I'd be making myself pretty scarce right about now. Either that or start dressing like Carlton. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRevanchist Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 "...open season on teenagers...""...half the country will cheer..." I doubt it is open season on teenagers. And I doubt half of the country is cheering. There is always a small percent of people who have a POV other than the norm, but I'm pretty sure most people are not cheering. And no one I know, besides his lawyer, has made him out to be a saint. If anything, he was an idiot who got caught up with another idiot and made idiot soup together. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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