Thorgi Duke of Frisbee Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 I'm really enjoying the package so far, but I am concerned that it doesn't include the story from the first game, in either comic or game form. How are people supposed to learn what happened on Shadow Moses? Are there any great alternatives that exist, or should Kojima Productions focus on making either a CG movie or yet another remake (this time better than Silicon Knights) of the first? Also, the way they've placed the manual is absolutely ridiculous. You have to exit out of the game TWICE (once from in the game, a second time on the title screen) to return to MGS2/3 selection to read the digital manual, because the physical manual just doesn't cut it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excel_excel Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 That's....weird. Would have been awesome if they went all out with the manuals, they were awesome with their mini tutorial comics. Quick quesiton are the cutscenes fullscreen, or do they have those big black borders for the subtitles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) Umm, I cant imagine anyone buying this collection who hasnt played MGS1. If not, you can always get it from the PSN store. If youre on 360 though, you fucked up and have to read the Wiki. Your fault really. I also dont really think anyone reads those manuals. Theres a manual inside the case already. Im guessing theyre just there for historical purposes. Not to mention that all 3 games have tutorials. Shit, MGS2 has 2 tutorials, one for Snake and one for Raiden. As for the cutscenes, you can choose between fullscreen and letterbox. Edited November 9, 2011 by Strangelove 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excel_excel Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Perfect! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgi Duke of Frisbee Posted November 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Yeah, but the in-case manuals don't explain much, and with the 360, you're dealing with completely different controls. Come to think of it, even on PS3 the controls will feel archaic if you've played 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Yeah, everything is fullscreen and 60fps. It also has some newish textures, mostly in facial hair and text. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Yeah, but the in-case manuals don't explain much, and with the 360, you're dealing with completely different controls. Come to think of it, even on PS3 the controls will feel archaic if you've played 4. I think the controls are fine. Plus, Peace Walker plays like MGS4, which uses a more current control scheme. To be honest since MGS2, controls havent really gotten much better. You can run and shoot nowadays in most games. Thats about it. Hell, you can run and shoot in ALL MGS games, you just cant aim. It kind of makes sense when you think about it, in real life situations thats how itd be. I doubt Kojima did it on purpose though. I just really cant side with you about the manual thing. I dont think games need manuals anymore. Especially these 3 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 I'd like to say though, if you've never played mgs2, one of the characters explains everything that happened in mgs1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 That's something I think lots of games could do better at: explaining wtf happened in the previous games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I love the MGS4 downloadable encyclopedia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomTervo Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 There's only one functionality I wanted from these HD re-releases, and that was to have MGS4's Free Camera in all the games. At the very least in MGS3 as well, as the game was at least 2x better with the Free Camera in MGS3: Subsistence. In MGS2 it'd still be totally awesome, and as you can go into FPS at any point as it is, there wouldn't be any need for them to cover up missing textures or models or parts of the map. It's all there. But as far as I can tell it's only like that in Peace Walker, which already had the 3D camera. Waaaaant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I love the MGS4 downloadable encyclopedia. Yeah, that thing rules. What was awesome is some entries were locked until you had reached a certain point in MGS4 to avoid the encyclopedia spoiling the plot for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Umm, MGS3 DOES have the free camera. you press R3 to use it. Also, the MGS4 database has a bunch of inconsistencies. I wouldnt rely too much on it. What the games really needed was a pause button during cutscenes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Every game needs a pause button during cutscenes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Seriously. Even nowadays a lot of games dont have a pause option during cutscenes. i dont know if developers are egotistical to not include it or theyre just dumb. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Also, the MGS4 database has a bunch of inconsistencies. I wouldnt rely too much on it. Such as..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomTervo Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 (edited) Umm, MGS3 DOES have the free camera. you press R3 to use it. Not in the original release of MGS3. Clicking down R3 held the camera in place, and you could move the camera around a bit with R3 itself. In MGS3: Subsistence they added the free camera. I don't even know why they did it then, but they did, and it was brilliant. Do you mean in the HD re-releases you can? Because if so, that's great. I wasn't talking about the HD releases. Definitely ups my likelihood of getting the pack if you can in MGS3. Though it'd still be nice to have 3D camera in 2 also. Such a revelation. Edited November 11, 2011 by kenshi_ryden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Also, the MGS4 database has a bunch of inconsistencies. I wouldnt rely too much on it. Such as..? Mostly when it comes it Revolver Ocelot and Liquid's arm, that whole thing. And a bunch of details on the Patriots too. A lot of the "articles" on there contradict either with the game sor the database itself. Not to mention it's not updated with any Peace Walker info either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Umm, MGS3 DOES have the free camera. you press R3 to use it. Not in the original release of MGS3. Clicking down R3 held the camera in place, and you could move the camera around a bit with R3 itself. In MGS3: Subsistence they added the free camera. I don't even know why they did it then, but they did, and it was brilliant. Do you mean in the HD re-releases you can? Because if so, that's great. I wasn't talking about the HD releases. Definitely ups my likelihood of getting the pack if you can in MGS3. Though it'd still be nice to have 3D camera in 2 also. Such a revelation. These games are the Substance and Subsistence versions. MGS3 only has the content that came on the first disc though. Youre not missing much really anyways. And actually, MGS2 wouldnt work very well at all with a free camera. Every section in that game is small and there are walls everywhere. In MGS3 it worked wonderfully because of the wide open spaces and the different levels of ground. MGS2 only had one - the floor. And Kojima added it because it was requested by fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Also, the MGS4 database has a bunch of inconsistencies. I wouldnt rely too much on it. Such as..? Mostly when it comes it Revolver Ocelot and Liquid's arm, that whole thing. And a bunch of details on the Patriots too. A lot of the "articles" on there contradict either with the game sor the database itself. Not to mention it's not updated with any Peace Walker info either. Well Peace Walker wasn't out at the time, and I can't really blame them for not updating it, really. As for the whole Ocelot and Liquid thing, the series has inconsistencies. For example, in MGS2, when Liquid takes over Ocelot, he has Liquid's british voice. At that time, I'm pretty sure it was intended to actually be Liquid. Then in MGS4 suddenly it's only Ocelot's voice, which I thought sucked, but then they justify it by explaining that it wasn't really Liquid, just some nanomachine+mental programming or whatever. I seriously doubt that it was planned to turn out this way fromt he start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomTervo Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Umm, MGS3 DOES have the free camera. you press R3 to use it. Not in the original release of MGS3. Clicking down R3 held the camera in place, and you could move the camera around a bit with R3 itself. In MGS3: Subsistence they added the free camera. I don't even know why they did it then, but they did, and it was brilliant. Do you mean in the HD re-releases you can? Because if so, that's great. I wasn't talking about the HD releases. Definitely ups my likelihood of getting the pack if you can in MGS3. Though it'd still be nice to have 3D camera in 2 also. Such a revelation. These games are the Substance and Subsistence versions. MGS3 only has the content that came on the first disc though. Youre not missing much really anyways. And actually, MGS2 wouldnt work very well at all with a free camera. Every section in that game is small and there are walls everywhere. In MGS3 it worked wonderfully because of the wide open spaces and the different levels of ground. MGS2 only had one - the floor. And Kojima added it because it was requested by fans. Yeah, that's fair. I think MGS2 would work with free cam, but you're probably right, at times it would no doubt get a bit clunky. It'd be nice as an optional choice, at least, like MGS3. Was MGS2's singleplayer campaign any different in the Substance version? I really enjoyed the VR missions. Are they in the HD Collection, too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Well, I honestly think it was just a "for the player" thing. You heard his voice to distinguish it. Normally id say it was a copout by Kojima so he could retcon shit, but the visuals also support his idea. When Liquid speaks through Ocelot in MGS2 all of a sudden his hair is shorter and straighter and he has one of his sleeves ripped off, then when Ocelot comes back it goes back to normal. It doesnt make sense. For a man as anal as Kojima, I doubt he would overlook such a visual change as that one without doing it purposely. Or maybe he did and he just doesnt give a fuck. MGS3 also supports the difference between Snake and the player. The entire game is in Russian(except a few lines here or there), but the player here's everyone speaking English. Also MGS4 has the whole deal with the Patriots. No one is supposed to say "Patriots" without it changing into "La-li-lu-le-lo", but as the player you can still here some of the characters saying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Umm, MGS3 DOES have the free camera. you press R3 to use it. Not in the original release of MGS3. Clicking down R3 held the camera in place, and you could move the camera around a bit with R3 itself. In MGS3: Subsistence they added the free camera. I don't even know why they did it then, but they did, and it was brilliant. Do you mean in the HD re-releases you can? Because if so, that's great. I wasn't talking about the HD releases. Definitely ups my likelihood of getting the pack if you can in MGS3. Though it'd still be nice to have 3D camera in 2 also. Such a revelation. These games are the Substance and Subsistence versions. MGS3 only has the content that came on the first disc though. Youre not missing much really anyways. And actually, MGS2 wouldnt work very well at all with a free camera. Every section in that game is small and there are walls everywhere. In MGS3 it worked wonderfully because of the wide open spaces and the different levels of ground. MGS2 only had one - the floor. And Kojima added it because it was requested by fans. Yeah, that's fair. I think MGS2 would work with free cam, but you're probably right, at times it would no doubt get a bit clunky. It'd be nice as an optional choice, at least, like MGS3. Was MGS2's singleplayer campaign any different in the Substance version? I really enjoyed the VR missions. Are they in the HD Collection, too? No, the single player from what I remember is the same as the regular version. Only bid difference is getting sunglasses during your third playthrough and the dogtags are all different. And the HD version is exactly like Substance except for the skateboarding mode. They took that out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomTervo Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 JESUS the skateboarding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excel_excel Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 (edited) Also, the MGS4 database has a bunch of inconsistencies. I wouldnt rely too much on it. Such as..? Mostly when it comes it Revolver Ocelot and Liquid's arm, that whole thing. And a bunch of details on the Patriots too. A lot of the "articles" on there contradict either with the game sor the database itself. Not to mention it's not updated with any Peace Walker info either. Well Peace Walker wasn't out at the time, and I can't really blame them for not updating it, really. As for the whole Ocelot and Liquid thing, the series has inconsistencies. For example, in MGS2, when Liquid takes over Ocelot, he has Liquid's british voice. At that time, I'm pretty sure it was intended to actually be Liquid. Then in MGS4 suddenly it's only Ocelot's voice, which I thought sucked, but then they justify it by explaining that it wasn't really Liquid, just some nanomachine+mental programming or whatever. I seriously doubt that it was planned to turn out this way fromt he start. Actually that's interesting, I remember reading originally it was to be Ocelot as the voice in MGS4, but in Japan the voice actor for Ocelot had died, so they just went with Liquid's voice actor. Wheras for the English dub they put it the way it was supposed to be, having Ocelot's voice. Edited November 12, 2011 by excel_excel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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