SomTervo Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) Also, not quit on topic, but isn't it weird that the second "o" in "pronounce" gets dropped when you write "pronunciation"? Allomorphy. Morphological oddities. Totally suck. One of the things I distinctly tried to avoid in my course choices in English Language, that and syntax. Too hard to get your head around. You didn't watch the video did you? (also I have no idea how to make into letters the sound S makes in leisure, hence "chj") I'd go with "zj", but really I don't think there is a "phonetic" spelling for that sound. I believe the term you're looking for is the voiced oral palato-alveolar fricative! Characterised by the 'long tailed z' symbol, or /ʒ/, in the IPA. There isn't a symbol for it in the English alphabet, as it's a realisational phenomenon, not an orthographic one. Orthographising it as 'chj' really makes no sense. It's voiceless counterpart is the 'sh' sound, characterised by the 'long s' or [ʃ], so really it should be written as 'zh'. 's' becomes 'sh' so 'z' should become 'zh'. Still, orthographic shit is idiotic. If you say something like 'judge' the 'j' and 'dge' sound is actually two sounds slammed together, 'd' and 'zh'. Written phonemically as /dʒ/. So 'judge' is /dʒʌdʒ/ written phonemically in the International Phonetics Alphabet (the upside-down V symbol means the 'uh' sound like in 'but'). Edited December 3, 2011 by kenshi_ryden 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 You just made all those words up, didn't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomTervo Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 ... Maybe. And... Maybe. Also, re: the topic title, there's no such thing as mispronunciations, as long as a speaker can understand what you're saying/ you can understand what a speaker says. You can pronounce things unusually, but not incorrectly, unless it's so different it's a different word altogether, in which case it's not a mispronunciation, but the wrong word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 So from the GI Joe 2 trailer: Machinima Me - Machine-i-ma The Rock- Meshen-i-ma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 I've always heard it pronounced "Muh-shin-imuh" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDex Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Regardless there is a common notion here that h is pronounced haytch when it's actually aitch. I recall getting into a heated debate on kotaku over that with me foolishly insisting that it's Haitch not aitch. Then having to back away slowly with my tail between the legs when I found out it was just an oddity of hiberno-english. It's still haitch to me, goddamnit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4: Gritty Reboot Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 I'm still not sure if gesture is 'geh-sture" or "jeh-sture". I always mix it up and say it wrong. Apparently I also say bagel as "bah-gel" instead of the accepted "bay-gel". I found out when I got older that I pronounce quite a few words incorrectly because I read a lot of novels when I was in elementary school and so encountered words in writing before I heard them out loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 My step brother does the same thing, for the same reason. I've always heard "gesture" pronounced with a j sound on the beginning. Regarding "bah-gel" I have no room to comment because apparently I say "beh-gel". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Apparently I also say bagel as "bah-gel" instead of the accepted "bay-gel". P4 is Britta! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmFwD2n7Ojg This isn't really a mispronunciation thing, and I don't think it's an English vs. English thing, but I've heard people pronounce 'details' as 'd-tails' as opposed to 'dee-tail' as in 'retail'. And I have to admit, I kinda like it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 You mean they pronounce it like "d'tail"? I've heard that too, I think it's more of an emphasis thing than anything else, which syllable they stress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luftwaffles Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 I get night-mirror and night-mare kind of mixed up. Sometimes people just let night-mirror pass right by, but I've had a few people call me on the pronunciation of that one. I think my saying night-mirror comes from laziness in not wanting to pronounce that A, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 You mean "night-mere"? Because while I don't say "mere-or" for mirror, I do say "mere'r" and I would probably call you on it too if you put two r sounds in nightmare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battra92 Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 I think it's more common to say either "to-may-to" or "to-mah-to" than "po-tay-to" or "po-tah-to". Pretty sure Potahto was just for the song. Battra will likely know as it's his era sort of thing. DUH! Of course I know Fred and Ginger. It's from the 1937 film "Shall We Dance" and the song is a George and Ira Gershwin number: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7sYNptYjsE It's not my favorite Fred and Ginger film (that would be Top Hat) or dance duet (that would be Cheek to Cheek from Top Hat) but it's a classic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnine Tenshi Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 For anyone who wants to read something on this topic, I recommend The Big Book of Beastly Mispronunciations by Charles Harrington Elster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingGerbil Posted December 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 I just thought of another one I do. I read iOS as "eye oss" instead of "eye oh ess". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 I don't think it matters either way with acronyms. It's not the Pee Aaa Tee Arr Eye Ooh Tee Act. Another is Foss, like floss with the missing l. Instead of Eff Ooh Ess Ess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 A lot of you probably pronounce "Lieutenant" wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 I was hoping that one would be lieut alone. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 It bugs the crap out of me when people say "excape". It's "eh-scape" not "ex-cape". It makes me want to stab myself in the brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 It bugs the crap out of me when people say "excape". It's "eh-scape" not "ex-cape". It makes me want to stab myself in the brain. Or "axe" instead of "ask". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 "'Christmas'? Must be an archaic pronunciation of 'X-mas', like how he says 'ask' instead of 'axe'." - Futurama 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battra92 Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 I always thought it odd that people pronounced and read Xmas as Ex-Muss. It's still pronounced Christmas with X being the old Greek for Chi (an abbreviation for Christ) That's why you see the symbol ☧(Chi Rho) in many churches. It's simply another way of writing Christ. Kind of makes the controversy around Xmas a little silly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 I always thought it odd that people pronounced and read Xmas as Ex-Muss. It's still pronounced Christmas with X being the old Greek for Chi (an abbreviation for Christ) That's why you see the symbol ☧(Chi Rho) in many churches. It's simply another way of writing Christ. Kind of makes the controversy around Xmas a little silly. Given that I am not and don't know any old Greeks, when I first saw it, at the age of what, 3 maybe 4? I read it as Ex-mas and understood it to mean Christmas. Same as pretty much everyone else on the planet. Now that I am old enough to know that it actually means "Chi" I might pronounce it Kai-mas to annoy people, but really I read it as ex-mas and say it as Christmas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDex Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 A lot of you probably pronounce "Lieutenant" wrong. Wikipedia says I'm right. What's always annoyed me about a particular British accent is when -ing becomes -ink as in Something becomes Somefink. The Irish have some horrible and hilarious accents but that shit annoys the hell out of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excel_excel Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 A lot of you probably pronounce "Lieutenant" wrong. Wikipedia says I'm right. What's always annoyed me about a particular British accent is when -ing becomes -ink as in Something becomes Somefink. The Irish have some horrible and hilarious accents but that shit annoys the hell out of me. Tell us what wot really fink though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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