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It sounded good and Shoot 1UP was fun, so I went to get this before it disappears... Either they've removed it, or it really is that bad. I found the indies section in a few seconds, then sorted by name and scrolled... and scrolled... and scrolled... and scrolled... and after about a minute, I'd made it from "A" to "B". So I gave up and searched for "Game Type" but all I got was unrelated results.

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It sounded good and Shoot 1UP was fun, so I went to get this before it disappears... Either they've removed it, or it really is that bad. I found the indies section in a few seconds, then sorted by name and scrolled... and scrolled... and scrolled... and scrolled... and after about a minute, I'd made it from "A" to "B". So I gave up and searched for "Game Type" but all I got was unrelated results.

 

Hmm, maybe the dash really is that bad. :P

 

A search on the site worked.

http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-GB/Product/Game-Type/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d80258550a27

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Okay, I just went spelunking for the indie games, and even knowing I was looking for a section titled "Game Type" with a picture of a girl with a green hoodie it took me a minute to find it. My brain's ad-filter automatically filtered that picture out, so it was like it wasn't even there.

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I know at one point you were supposed to be able to connect an external hard drive and partition about 16 GB toward storage for your 360. Did they take this feature away when they introduced the cloud storage? My brother tried it with my external and it almost wiped the few files I had on it completely. We had to use a recovery program to get most of it back.

 

20/20 Hindsight. Should've used cloud storage.

 

Edit: they've added some automation to the gamertag recovery process. neat?

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I know at one point you were supposed to be able to connect an external hard drive and partition about 16 GB toward storage for your 360. Did they take this feature away when they introduced the cloud storage? My brother tried it with my external and it almost wiped the few files I had on it completely. We had to use a recovery program to get most of it back.

 

20/20 Hindsight. Should've used cloud storage.

 

Edit: they've added some automation to the gamertag recovery process. neat?

Yeah, that used to work. It doesn't anymore? I actually disliked it when they got rid of MUs, as I used that to bring my account between multiple 360s in my old house. Then I got a new 360, so I bought and formatted a USB thumb drive for just that purpose, which lead to losing all my save data.

 

I'm back down to only one 360, as I sold my Japanese one before I moved, but my Xbox Live account, which was made in Japan because that's where I was living when I bought the 360, can't be converted to a U.S. account, no way, no how. It sounds stupid, but that's actually a reasonable chunk of the impetus to change to PC gaming.

  • I had to sell my Japanese 360 games (or bring my Japanese 360 with me as well) because of region locking. I would have gladly held on to these, but instead those games were sold to people who might have bought new copies if I hadn't sold them because of being unable to use them
  • I have to either jump through huge hoops to keep my Japanese account at Gold, or start a new US account if I want to game online. I'd have to rebuild my (full) friend list, give up all my achievement and juggle between accounts if I want to keep using my save files from my current account.

In short, Microsoft's decision to region lock their software and not allowing people who move from one country to another to bring their gamer tag with them were business decisions they made that will probably mean 2011 was the last year I purchase a game for 360. I purchased +50 new retail games and +50 marketplace download purchases, three consoles and a lot of accessories/controllers, but now I'm probably going to game pretty much exclusively on PC, at least until the new consoles come out.

 

Sorry, this is slightly off topic from the original purpose of the thread, but I thought it might be interesting and relevant enough to be worth sharing.

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I couldn't copy some of the data, I could only move it. I was selling my main Japanese 360 (with the HDD and all my save data) with the intention of moving as many files as I could to both my 4GB Japanese 360 and my Kinect Bundle new U.S. 360 I'd just gotten. So I moved everything to the thumb drive, with the intention of copying what I could from there, and keeping the move-only files on the thumb drive to move between the two.

 

I don't know if the problem happened while copying, or if it happened when I plugged the thumb drive into my new 360, but at some point between trying to "move all" and trying to access the information on the U.S. slim 360, something happened, and the U.S. 360 only gave me the option to format the thumb drive to use with my 360. The thumb drive failed every 360 attempt to format after that...it'd work on a PC, but the 360 wouldn't let me format it. (I could try, but during the testing process it did before formatting, it'd come back saying the device didn't meet the requirements)

 

I did follow up with the maker (Buffalo) and they actually were pretty awesome about overnighting me a replacement after I sent them the busted one, and the new one (exact same model) did work with no problems...but that didn't make me feel any better about losing all my data.

 

TL;DR: It actually seems like the thumb drive was to blame for the data loss...but that wouldn't have ever been a problem if I was able to keep using my MU to go back and forth between consoles. :( I suspect that some of the pre-installed programs on the flash drive may have been to blame.

 

It was a while ago, so I don't remember if I plugged the USB drive into my PC before or after I first tried to access the data on my new 360, but I remember being surprised when I plugged it in to my PC to try to see/copy/rescue the data some autoplay programs wanted to run that shouldn't have even been on the drive after formatting. (They would always show up on the drive, even after formatting. The drive I got to replace it did not have these programs, possibly because I complained about them when doing the RMA)

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Wow. It sounds like multi-decade operating system maker Microsoft forgot the first rule of moving files. Copy first, then delete.

 

I'd probably have done it so that the first 360 copied all the files and then wiped out a file for licensing them or something... Then copy them all to the new system and authorize it, making a new license file. The first 360 would be useless for running the files after "moving" them, but if all else failed, you could log in and reactivate it. That way MS could at least make sure you didn't have 2 concurrent systems running the same file set...

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Wow. It sounds like multi-decade operating system maker Microsoft forgot the first rule of moving files. Copy first, then delete.

 

I'd probably have done it so that the first 360 copied all the files and then wiped out a file for licensing them or something... Then copy them all to the new system and authorize it, making a new license file. The first 360 would be useless for running the files after "moving" them, but if all else failed, you could log in and reactivate it. That way MS could at least make sure you didn't have 2 concurrent systems running the same file set...

Yeah, ironically, they were smart enough to figure out a system that allowed people to revalidate their Live purchases on a new system, but weren't able to follow that same "unvalidate, then allow user to revalidate" process for saves. Maybe they just wanted to sell more HDD transfer kits? Not that an HDD transfer kit worked for what I had in mind for my data. (I'm still not using cloud storage at all on the 360. Not sure if it would have been a good idea with two 360s, but now that I'm down to one, I don't really have any compelling reason to try it out.)

 

In retrospect, I should never have tried to save time by initially moving everything from the MU to the USB. Simply loading up and then saving a few save files on the USB drive, and proving that I could successfully move one file onto a new 360 before trying to do the whole thing at once would have been far more prudent.

 

Just typing that makes me miss my old RAID 5 NAS. Maybe, when HDD prices come down, I'll buy four cheap drives and set them up RAID 5 in my gaming PC. Right now all my photos are on a USB drive, and I only have a few dozen digital photos from 2001-2004 (pulled from e-mails) because I know first hand that storing important stuff on one, and only one, drive is a bad idea. (All my photos are on flickr as well [all 20,677 of them], but I'm not sure how reasonable getting them back onto a disk would be if something happened to that drive.)

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