FredEffinChopin Posted June 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 (edited) Gaming's Citizen Kane moment, eh? After Bioshock: Infinite I have nothing but skepticism for claims like that. Still though, I've been excited for this one for some time, and I can't say that the review scores aren't making me a little more so now, despite the fact that I know how these things go with AAA titles that everyone has been waiting on. As long as I don't go into this hoping for a great American novel, I should be fine. Edited June 7, 2013 by FredEffinChopin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted June 8, 2013 Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 I've heard the AI isn't anywhere near as good as shown in the E3 segment of last year. Which is disappointing but not unsurprising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 Having played the demo, I'm going to say holyfuckiwantthisgamesobadlysorivetinganditmademewantmore! Rented GoW: Ascension from Redbox and managed to get it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 I've heard the AI isn't anywhere near as good as shown in the E3 segment of last year. Which is disappointing but not unsurprising. What, from Reddit? The Last of US AMA had the AI designer and he pointed out people should try playing the game first before deciding since the whole point of the AI is that it's different for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 Even if the AI isn't as good as the trailer...so what? Am I suddenly not going to play what looks like the best PS3 game of this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 I'll be playing this game for the story, characters, setting, atmosphere, etc... as long as the AI is adequate, I'm happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 If I want human levels of intelligence, I'll go to the multiplayer with the human enemies wanting to bash my skull in with a wooden fence post. I read Reddit too, and honestly it sounds like a damn nitpick. As long as the enemies aren't running around in circles and clipping through the walls, I think I'm gonna be able to deal with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 If you are making a point of having above average AI in your game then it's not really a "nitpick" to point out it's lacking that and is just bog standard AI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 Is it? Off of some self.Games post it's confirmed that the AI is "just bog standard?" Sure, I can't truthfully make a solid defense, what with not having played it, but I'm not about to make expectations off of a random "cautionary" post. I haven't also seen/read all 50+ reviews of The Last of Us, but so far all I've taken away is that the enemy AI seems "selective" in targeting Ellie. She can be attacked, but sometimes the AI just ignores her and bum rushes you instead. I also read in the same post "it wasn't hard," but I've also seen videos of players getting their butt handed to them from only two enemies. Not to mention the "Clickers" insta-kill you. So yes, to me it's still a nitpick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 Well as you've said, the reviews have already made a note of the AI mainly targeting the player, and these are from the same spots that completely missed the fact the AI in SimCity was absolutely shit (that'd be posts on reddit covering that element...). So if they're already noting standard quality AI then yeah it's going to give credence to reddit posts saying likewise too. Look, game likely hits the 10/10 in all other areas, but if they're making a point of how amazing their AI is, it better be amazing. I guiess we'll find out as the game ends up in the hands of more people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luftwaffles Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 Look, game likely hits the 10/10 in all other areas, but if they're making a point of how amazing their AI is, it better be amazing. I guiess we'll find out as the game ends up in the hands of more people. Correct me if I'm wrong, but have they ever made a real point of this? I remember the previous E3 gameplay previews and all that as well, but off the top of my head I don't ever remember them putting the focus on the AI, that was always the people who watched the demos and wrote about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 So all of a sudden people WANT an escort mission where they have to constantly babysit a friendly character? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 I don't think anyone's doubting the Ellie AI so much. It's the 'balance of power' stuff where enemies react differently depending on different things: backing off if they're unarmed and you have a gun trained on them, knowing to pressure you if they hear your gun click from being empty/jammed, setting up ambushes, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 See, I think the difference here is that when we saw all of that, it was scripted so Joel would trigger all the different AI interactions, and etc. My assumption here, obviously, but I'm thinking that would depend on how the player reacts to the situation, and then how the AI reacts to the player. Are we going to have someone play it cool and stick to a strategy, or is the player going to be running frantic and swapping out his whole arsenal? I can't imagine the AI being that strategic if the level is filled with everyone running around chasing a headless chicken named Joel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Holy shit you guys, this game is really really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 So jealous! I have to wait till tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 I want this game, but I have no time until July. I also am not fond of paying $60 for a game. PC gaming has spoiled me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 I'm just worried that it will focus too much on combat, which I never thought was the strength of the Uncharted series and it doesn't look like it would be the strength of this one either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 The reviews indicate that the gameplay is mostly combat or optional stealth. Which is kind of what I expect. What did you expect the gameplay to consist of aside from combat and optional stealth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 I've gotten the impression that there's lots of forced combat where you can't stealth, I was hoping for stealth to be a more viable option at most times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 It wouldnt be the same game if you could complete it without killing anyone, or a handful of people. This isnt Metal Gear, Disohonored or Deus Ex where youre some kind of skilled professional. People are gonna die in this game and thats how it should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Apparently there's an issue with the day one patch that prevents the game from auto-saving, so until they fix it, save manually!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 I'm not saying I think you should be able to ghost the whole game, but I was also hoping it wouldn't devolve into just another cover shooter, which is what it seems like happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 I read, I think on IGN? Maybe Kotaku, anyways, I read besides some of the tutorials, almost ALL encounters can be avoided. I will confirm at 5pm PST tonight! Actually the game has to install/load patches.... 545pm PST! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 (edited) So far I've been able to stealth most encounters except for a handful of moments when the story forces you out in the open. I'm about five hours in. Also sometimes you're forced to kill everyone but so far I've found that you can, in theory, sneak by most encounters without having to kill anyone. I should also mention that this would be really really fucking hard to do and is probably not worth it unless you're just that hardcore. Edited June 14, 2013 by Mister Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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