FMW Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Since the remake still is only going out on Playstation devices, does this count as a Playstation thread or a multi-platform thread? Anyway, this game was a major release and it is linked with strong memories for many. Not necessarily positive mind, but strong. I would love to have a discussion about the game and what you would like to see changed or unchanged in this new release. My personal wishlist is below: Things that ought to be changed: Give us a hub (probably in the airship) where we can check on side quests and optional content. Don't force this on players! The hardcore fans would be horribly offended. But much of the optional content in FF X was pretty obscure. I reckon ultimate weapon hunting is nigh impossible without a guide of some sort. Just build in an optional in-game tool for people who want to spend more time with the game but don't know what's available. Help us find hidden movie spheres, hidden airship map locations, and whatever endgame goodies may be tucked away. The weapon/armor and aeon crafting systems need a revamp. It was entirely possible to play the entire game without ever touching those sub-systems. Don't cut them, but it would be nice if you could make them more relevant. Make a better tutorial for these systems too. The battle music should change, but not be replaced. Hire some of the original composers to make one or two additional battle themes to play during random encounters. Then just let the battle themes cycle randomly. Again, I know that the original battle theme got a lot of flack, but DON'T cut it completely. I think it'll hold up much better when that same brass fanfare isn't coming up every single battle. Please add in whatever additional content was created for re-releases. I think there was an international edition or something? Just make sure that this is definitive. Things that could be changed but don't necessarily need to be: Now that you know about FF X-2 and it's contributions to continuity, there's no harm in tying it in here. Don't go changing the main story at all, but adding some flavor NPC text or a side quest or two referencing Vegnagun and/or other X-2 characters/places/technology/fashion would be cool for fans of the sequel. Again, make sure that this is all optional content. The sphere grid could change. Don't move away from the Sphere Grid mind, but you might want to redraw the layout. The sphere grid was actually quite linear until late in the game. All the twists and turns in it did a pretty good job of making it not FEEL linear, but that won't work as well a second time. Again, don't go crazy and overboard here, but adding more branching paths and perhaps forcing players to make choices about which abilities to pursue could enhance the game considerably. Also, buffing Kihmari's path a little wouldn't hurt a bit. Spell/ability balancing could change. As often happens in these later FF games, some of the legacy spells don't quite fit in the new battle systems so well. Spells like Death, Demi, and others really don't get used... ever. And some others only rarely (shell, I'm looking at you). I would suggest trying to rebalance spells with their power and MP cost so that they're more useful/viable in regular random encounters. That would make LuLu a much more fun and dynamic character, and perhaps give more merit to Kihmari's blue magics as well. Things that should not be altered: The main story. Don't change the dialogue, the event sequences, the bosses, none of it. You guys hit on something pretty special with this game. It's well paced, difficulty doesn't spike for the most part, and forshadowing is used subtly enough that players aren't entirely exhasperated by it. For video game storytelling, this main quest is about as good as it gets. I'm not saying that it couldn't be improved, but since it's so good already changes I think would be far more likely to detract from the original than to add. Just keep completely hands off of the narrative. The dub. There has been much complaint about the FF X dub since it released. Don't pay any attention to it. It would be expensive to record new voice over, and it would make fans (the most likely audience for this game) very unhappy. Love it or hate it, the voices in this game helped define it. The voices hold a ton of nostalgia, as this was one of the first story driven games to have so much cinematic and vocal content. Yes, Tidus sounds nasally sometimes. Yes, Riku does a terrible job of selling the "you know?" tacked on to the end of her lines. But that's become part of the game. It would be fundamentally distasteful to release a new version of a character focused tale with impostors hired to be the characters. You could add Japanese audio tracks now since there's so much space on these new game discs I guess. That would give even the nay-sayers a reason to buy the game. Blitzball. Blitzball is a super duper fun diversion, and for those who don't like it it's optional. Not many games have optional mini-games this extensive. Though I wouldn't mind terribly if you made it impossible to recruit Wakka in this new version - having him return to blitzball kinda breaks his story. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 I dont think its going to be a remake. I think its going to be an hd port. I could be wrong though. If its just a port, it should stay as is while adding the international version content. Thats about it. And believe me, thats all theyre going to do. They wont change a thing. But if its a remake, then they really do need to rerecord the voices. Theyre going to redo the graphics, so they can afford the voices. They just wont do anymore. Hopefully itll be fully voiceacted too. a lot of dialogue in the game didnt have voiceovers. And make blitzball better....somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 My understanding is it's a re-release, not a remake (also I swear we've covered this somewhere else but I can't find it. Maybe in the HD Re-release thread) And yeah it'd been to be the PAL/int'l release (it came out some time after the orignal/jap/us release) or there's little point. It'd certainly miff off the Euro players if they find bits missing. And it'd be nice to be able to say "hey it's got new stuff" when promoting the HD re-release to americans. Euro/Int'l version adds: Two Sphere Grids, Standard and Expert. Standard is the original and is more focused per charachter, the expert one is more open, somewhat like how Kimahri can follow any path in standard Dark Aeons and a new super-boss Penance. The standard nicer style covers. Few minor balancing tweaks to attacks of overdrives and Aeons Oh it's maybe worth noting that FFX is actually the target game with PCSX2. As in PCSX2 was made to run FFX perfectly, and any other games that worked was a side-effect. And it looks pretty damn pretty. Though this does bring up the: Widescreen or not? (and yes Ethan I know you struggle to get PCSX2 working ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excel_excel Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 (edited) Well the rumour going around which was never confirmed was..... Use the same engine that Final Fantasy XIII and adapted to PSVita. All that is made from scratch with the new engine is the design of the characters, the aeons and stage elements. The sets and scenes in HD remasters CGI will implement a "filter" FFXIII Engine. The magic and some lighting effects are achieved with the new engine "Luminous". The Blitzball undergo small changes. Online options will include (not yet known details). The release date in Japan in fiscal 2012. Now if its not all that and just a simple HD rerelease then for the love of GOD, fix the lip sync in the cutscenes. That's all really...well maybe some more stuff. I like Frosted's idea to add a few more battle themes. Also I'd rework Kimahri's overdrives. Give him normal blue magic spells rather than just needing to be in overdrive to use his shit Edited December 13, 2011 by excel_excel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewblaha Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Ughhh why? Make a remake of something like FFVI. Who would want to play X again? HA HA HA. HAAAAAAA HA HA HA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masonvrocks Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Much like Excel said, fix the lip sync. The VA is fine, but that damn lip flap. I'm not sure I like the idea of new music, especially now that Nobuo is gone. I still love that battle theme. Other than that, I just want seperate trophies and Intl changes like Dean said. But fuck, I'd probably get it for PS3 and Vita, so it may as well have different trophies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunFlame Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 I'm not too fussed about any changes. The PAL version was an incredibly meaty package as it was. So just an update would be fine. I'm more interested to see what they do with some of the pre-rendered backgrounds that it still used in some places. It was a mix of 2D and 3D, so I'm intrigued by this. Re-balancing on magic? Mmm, maybe, possibly. I think how X implemented a lot of enemies that had weaknesses still made magic a viable way to attack. Most of the time, a lot of spells wouldn't be used. But you'd rely on them sometimes, and usually pump through them during boss battles. The only thing I would want, is an alternate way to get the Sigil's for Ultimate Weapons. Dodging 200 lightning bolts sucks, winning a race under 00:00:00 seconds sucks. Keep it, but offer an alternative. Battle related or something. It's a great, great game, and I'm really looking forward to have an additional incentive to play through it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=34852496&postcount=1 As originally suspected It's a HD remaster a la Team Ico/God of War style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorrrr Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Not at all surprising that it's simply a remaster. If they were going to remake any of their games they'd be doing the really lo-fi ones first like they did with FF IV, and people weren't asking for a remake of X, they were asking (demanding?) a remake of VII. If they were gonna bother remaking ANYTHING, it'd make more sense to remake that. That being said I have no REAL desire to play Final Fantasy X again but if it comes out on the Vita and I happen to have one, then maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 If the price is right I'd certainly pick it up. Though by the time it arrives no doubt I'll have PCSX2 running stable enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 I want a remake of FFXII. I never actually finished that one and it's just ugly as hell on an HDTV, even though for a PS2 game it's gorgeous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Me too. I don't understand why they don't work on Final Fantasy X, X-2, and XII collection like MGS, Sly, God of War, etc etc. Instead it seems they're building the game from scratch on the XIII engine, which means it will be a long time before they get to XII. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excel_excel Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 BOO! Would have been way better to have X-2 remastered as well?......damn. I'd love to see XII remastered too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Me too. I don't understand why they don't work on Final Fantasy X, X-2, and XII collection like MGS, Sly, God of War, etc etc. Instead it seems they're building the game from scratch on the XIII engine, which means it will be a long time before they get to XII. You didn't read the link did you? It's just a remaster exactly like MGS, Sly n God of War. Same engine, potentially improved textures (like the aforementioned games), same story, gameplay, etc etc. It would be a good idea to put out all three as a "PS2 Final Fantasy" box set thing (XI is fine to be left out). The big question though is which version they'll be using. I'm hoping for the Int'l/PAL one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorrrr Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Personally, I really disliked XII and that'd be my last choice for a remastering... Of all the PS2 Final Fantasy's, I only really enjoyed X. X-2 had a weird, quirky charm to it but it wasn't exactly a good game, I'm not gonna count XI as it's an MMO, and XII, well... I just really didn't like it. I don't know why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 It wouldnt kill them to release FFX and FFX-2 on a disc together. Id love FFX-2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorrrr Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 I did like certain things about X-2. For example, the job system, that's a system I loved in the earlier Final Fantasy games. I guess XIII sort of aped it with the paradigm shift system (which is one of the few things I enjoyed about FF XIII) but eh. Other than that, I guess I liked the idea of being in Spira (is that it? I forget) again but I just felt that X ended perfectly and didn't need a continuation, the ending to X was sad and just put a nice cap on things and then along came X-2 to make all of it "better". I also just hated the fan-service. Wrong demographic, perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Me too. I don't understand why they don't work on Final Fantasy X, X-2, and XII collection like MGS, Sly, God of War, etc etc. Instead it seems they're building the game from scratch on the XIII engine, which means it will be a long time before they get to XII. You didn't read the link did you? It's just a remaster exactly like MGS, Sly n God of War. Same engine, potentially improved textures (like the aforementioned games), same story, gameplay, etc etc. It would be a good idea to put out all three as a "PS2 Final Fantasy" box set thing (XI is fine to be left out). The big question though is which version they'll be using. I'm hoping for the Int'l/PAL one. I had previously read on Siliconera that the game was a complete remake from scratch. However, IGN is reporting that it's a remake. Which makes me wonder why not package the 3 PS2 games together. Course it's Square so they'll probably sell us just X for $39.99. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunFlame Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 I'd love an updated version of XII, it's the best game of the series and it'd look fantastic if it was all HD'd up. But I wouldn't expect it to ever be part of a collection with X and X-2. I think a package with X and X-2 would be fine, but I don't think XII needs to be a part of it. XII already has it's own established world, and it's already been extended with Revanant Wings, so it should stay separate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorrrr Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 To be honest I think I'd rather see the ps2 Kingdom Hearts games get glammed up than I would Final Fantasy XII, but maybe if this does well, Square will consider it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 It's maybe worth noting that with the period FFXII came out (i.e same time as PS3) it's actually got higher-res textures in it already. It looks very spiffy in PCSX2: This image is higher than HD btw: http://jasonwynkoop....90219191935.jpg And for good measure FFX at 1080p: http://img130.images...0/4927/ffxy.jpg Fuck. In looking for these images the damn battle theme started playing in my head and now I want to play. Loved the FFX battle system. Nice n simple. Anyway point is, if you have the games already and a decent enough PC you can get these in HD already. It's free to try out n see if PCSX2 works for you. Hit me up on Steam if you have a crack at it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorrrr Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 And for good measure FFX at 1080p: http://img130.images...0/4927/ffxy.jpg Looks like you could cut your fingers off on his hair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 To be honest I think I'd rather see the ps2 Kingdom Hearts games get glammed up than I would Final Fantasy XII, but maybe if this does well, Square will consider it. Considering this is the 10th year of Kingdom Hearts, it'd make a lot of sense for them to do something like that. But if it was coming down the pipes you'd think we'd already hear rumours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 http://www.siliconera.com/2013/02/18/first-look-at-final-fantasy-x-running-on-playstation-vita/ So it's definitely still being made. Seems no word on it being a triple-pack, which kinda sucks and makes you really wonder what the hell they're doing with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayc4life Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 It's taken this long to try to get out, if this doesn't have PS3/Vita Cross-Buy heads will roll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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