Assassin's Creed 3

[Yantelope V2]

Well, all we have to go off of is a name.

 

http://www.joystiq.c...-on-october-30/

 

I wonder what era it'll be.

Edited February 15, 2012 by Yantelope V2

[Waldorf and Statler]

They better not fucking do feudal japan, which seems to be the consensus since they showed an image of the girl assassin before in the game.

 

The ending of Revelations made it decently fucking clear that Desmond was gonna take control. The whole fucking point of Revelations was to end the sagas of the two previous assassins. If they pull it out of their ass

 

"Ooooh we're here Desmond, but go ahead and go back to Feudal Japan for no particular fucking reason. Nobody wants to play as you"

[Yantelope V2]

Oh yeah, I haven't played revelations yet I need to go do that. I'm still finishing Batman AC.

Edited February 15, 2012 by Yantelope V2

[TCP]

I voted for other. Since Ubisoft is a Canadian company, and their Assassin's Creed games are developed in Canada, Assassin's Creed 3, if it is in the past, should be in Canadian history. Maybe something with the Red River Rebelion, or during some of the battles between England and France and the rebellions of of 1837. Canada has a very interesting history to play around with, something that's not done often enough.

[Yantelope V2]

  On 2/15/2012 at 7:24 PM, TheCowboyPoet said:

I voted for other. Since Ubisoft is a Canadian company, and their Assassin's Creed games are developed in Canada, Assassin's Creed 3, if it is in the past, should be in Canadian history. Maybe something with the Red River Rebelion, or during some of the battles between England and France and the rebellions of of 1837. Canada has a very interesting history to play around with, something that's not done often enough.

 

French and Indian wars! That'd be popular.

[Waldorf and Statler]

Ubisoft is a french company. While Montreal is their biggest development studio, I highly doubt they get to decide on such a big thing without consulting superiors. And let's be honest, these games work in Europe and Asia since they had been largely established before North America even started. North America's early days has no interesting structures compared to other settings.

 

I'd rather they do it in another country in Europe than a simple forest-like and simplistic town setting in NA. Not to say I know what the battles you mentioned are, but I'm assuming in the time period you set it in no big urban sprawling ala Constantinople/Italy/Middle East will exist.

[TheMightyEthan]

I'm not sure what the difference between "Future" and "Present Day" is. The series is apparently revolving around the end of the world in 2012, so the present has caught up with the game time.

[Waldorf and Statler]

That's a good point. The game keeps mentioning the whole 2012 debacle, but the setting seems futuristic. Maybe it's an alternate universe where the 2000's are more advanced?

[Yantelope V2]

Again, I haven't played AC:R but I got the impression from the first 3 games that it was a near future but not a fully present day. I was thinking closer to 2040 or 20xx.

[TheMightyEthan]

I think the first one, which launched in 2007, was supposed to be set in late 2011 (don't have a source to back that up). I do remember though one of the guys at Ubisoft saying they have to get AC3 out this year though because the story is leading up to the December 2012 end of the world thing and it wouldn't make any sense for the game to come out after that. Basically it started out near-future but now we've caught up with that future.

 

*Edit* - Ah, here:

 

http://en.wikipedia....series)#Premise

 

*Edit 2* - And here's an article with that quote I was remembering, it was from the creative lead:

 

http://www.ausgamers.com/news/read/3119688

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[deanb]

Actually only the Animus is somewhat futuristic. Everything else seems pretty modern day stuff. Generators n flood lights strewn about in brotherhood, regular old white van to escape in etc.

[SixTwoSixFour]

Time to make The Pitch, like I have so many times before.

 

The reason it should be in feudal Japan, starring a female protagonist.

 

 

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-The architecture of the time and place would be great for it. The loose tile roofs allow for the classic kung fu movie "tile throw" as an attack, and also crack and break dramatically in respond to aggressive movement like a heavily geared individual running quickly and jumping. The castles would be fantastic, and you could do one large city (say, Kyoto) surrounded by a variety of small towns and countryside. Cherry blossoms. Ponds. Badassery.

 

-The era allows for diversification of tools. We've been stuck with hidden blade, hidden gun, sword, crossbow for a while now. Feudal Japan offers tools seen nowhere else- shuriken to be thrown at enemies, the unpredictable kusarigama to fight enemies with, the war fan, and many others, not to mention the variety of swords, knives, and polearms. Plus, they had primitive firearms as well. As far as noncombat tools, you can have those claws that they used to climb walls, you could hide in ponds and breathe through a reed, and the many other tricks and tools of the ninja.

 

-This could be a chance to add some subtlety to the game. The weirdest thing about the AC games has always been (well, debately, there's a fair bit weird in those games) how you can walk around with a million weapons strapped to you, and a ton of armor, and yet guards are not in the least suspicious that perhaps YOU were the one who murdered all these people. Take that weirdness away. Have your protagonist be able to switch between combat and noncombat garb by ducking into a secluded area and pulling it out of a bag. In combat gear, you're fully equipped with armor, weapons, and tools, but you're somewhat slower, and guards are far more wary of you, and have an easier time picking you out of a crowd. In noncombat garb, you slip about in a kimono (or yukata, or whatevs) with a few key tools- a knife, a blowgun, a few other small things. You're much less suspicious, much harder to spot in a crowd, and much swifter, but you're ill equipped for any trouble you get into.

 

-A female protagonist would not only be a nice change of pace, but it would be a good way of emphasizing the more subtle approach to assassination- men let their guard down more around women, of course. Also, seeing Desmond flip his shit the first time he loaded up the Animus and turned into a woman would be absolutely delicious.

 

-Feudal Japan had a lot of fighting going on, with all the lords trying to conquer and unite the land. You would have no shortage of things to do. Lots of people to kill... and be killed by.

 

-Finally, it's a good chance to add another layer of depth to the game. The ninja weren't always about daggers to the neck- just as often, they turned to poisons. Poisons have barely been explored so far- the poison blade and darts are fucking stupid, frankly- and it's a chance to add another more subtle style of assassination to the game. In AC2, a good job is no one knowing that you're there until the target is dead. In this, a good job is no one EVER knowing that you were there.

 

 

And that's why AC3 should be set in feudal Japan. Starring a lady.

[TheMightyEthan]

When you suggested it be a lady my first thought was how awesome it would be to actually play the part of something like the Cortesans to sneak into areas, rather than just surrounding yourself with them.

 

One problem I see, from a lore perspective: the Assassins are a Western organization, fighting the Templars, another Western organization... although now that I check "feudal Japan" extended into the late 1800's, so you could easily set it there but still be well after contact with the West.

[SixTwoSixFour]

  On 2/15/2012 at 8:16 PM, TheMightyEthan said:

One problem I see, from a lore perspective: the Assassins are a Western organization, fighting the Templars, another Western organization... although now that I check "feudal Japan" extended into the late 1800's, so you could easily set it there but still be well after contact with the West.

 

Well, the series premise is that they're NOT just Western organization, they're part of a global, civilization-wide battle. The games have evidence of Eastern assassins in them already. Historically, you're correct, but the games don't care that much about history, only when it serves them =P

[TCP]

  On 2/15/2012 at 7:39 PM, Waldorf And Statler said:

Ubisoft is a french company. While Montreal is their biggest development studio, I highly doubt they get to decide on such a big thing without consulting superiors. And let's be honest, these games work in Europe and Asia since they had been largely established before North America even started. North America's early days has no interesting structures compared to other settings.

 

I'd rather they do it in another country in Europe than a simple forest-like and simplistic town setting in NA. Not to say I know what the battles you mentioned are, but I'm assuming in the time period you set it in no big urban sprawling ala Constantinople/Italy/Middle East will exist.

After the successful games Ubisoft Montreal has released, I'm sure they're allowed to set their games wherever the want. Even if they weren't, Ubisoft, as you pointed out, is based out of France, Canadian history has a lot to do with France, so I can't really see them saying no. Actually, why would they even be told they can't? Canadian history would be a perfect setting for Assassin's Creed. And are you telling me that in 1830's there weren't any buildings to climb in Montreal? Really?

Realistically, since the games are going to tie up Desmond's story, and judging on the increase attention on Desmond in the past few games, the game will probably be focused entirely on him (or an ancestor living his memories.. maybe?). Maybe a modern day Montreal or Toronto? Maybe they'll pull a Bioware and set their game in Vancouver, which would be an amazing setting for the free running platforming of Assassin's Creed.

Based on the ammount of Canadian games being produced (Mass Effect, Deus Ex, Assassins Creed, Dragon Age, etcetcetc) we'll no doubt start seeing more Canadiana in games.

[Waldorf and Statler]

Assassins Creed 3 is the end of Desmond's story. I highly doubt they're gonna spend the entire game in yet another animus, especially after how Revelations ended. While I agree your points are valid and interesting, they could just as easily make another game with this female assassin. Then she's not limited to be in Desmond's bloodline and can have her own importance in the big aspect.

 

I want my game to be set in modern times with desmond fighting modern templars. He already knows his purpose, he already has the training of one of the best assassins around, and most importantly

 

 

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the freaking futuristic god people thing have directly told desmond it all rests in his hand twice now.

 

 

They're welcome to go to feudal japan another time, but to end the story of desmond with ANOTHER new character? No thx.

[TCP]

What are the other Assassin's Creed games planned? The 3DS one was canceled, but isn't their a Vita game? Because judging from that short film they made last year, obviously asia looks like a possibility.

 

It would be cool if the majority of the game was set in 2012, but there could be segments set in

 

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the former civilization we saw destoyed at the end of Revelations. Desmond's decended from them, yes?

 

Edited February 15, 2012 by TheCowboyPoet

[Waldorf and Statler]

In the 1830's there were buildings, just not sprawling cities and big monuments like Europe and Asia had already had for decades if not centuries. I get that you're a super proud Canadian, but just because Bioware is Canadian it doesn't mean they base their whole game on it. They might make Shepard from Canada if your origin story was from earth [which I believe they did] but it doesn't mean the whole game will revolve around it.

 

Why would they all of a sudden go to Canada? The modern setting of the previous titles has been in Europe. I believe they've gone from britain to italy and other places. The ending of revelations is set in Europe. Why would the future people controlling everything randomly decide that Canada was the place everything would take place in? Sorry I don't see it. Many other places in the world have arguably more interesting history than Canada, and you don't switch settings in the modern era so drastically for no reason.

[SixTwoSixFour]

  On 2/15/2012 at 8:56 PM, Waldorf And Statler said:

They're welcome to go to feudal japan another time, but to end the story of desmond with ANOTHER new character? No thx.

 

The thing is... what kinda guy is Desmond? I've been with this guy for three games (I didn't play Revelations, it looked bad to me) and I don't know what he's like. He is such a noncharacter, such a completely boring guy, that I personally don't believe he could carry a game by himself. All he knows how to do is get confused and clumsily flirt with Lucy.

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Too bad he stabbed her, huh?

 

 

It's always been about the character Desmond is reliving- Altair, or Ezio. It's always been their story. Desmond is just a framing device to give the series some overarching meaning.

 

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I believe they've gone from britain to italy and other places.

 

Minor correction, AC1 was the Middle East. Heck, Jerusalem was in the game.

[Waldorf and Statler]

Was the modern setting IN the Middle East too? I don't remember hearing that. Then again I don't think they've ever mentioned it, I just thought it was Britain due to british characters and nobody carrying guns hahahaha

 

And of course we don't know what character Desmond is. He has had no chance to grow as a character since the focus was on training him and finding info in the past. Thing is he has already been trained and knows what to do. In Revelations

 

 

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we're introduced to his dad and the fact he knew lucy as a child

. With the introduction of this we have a huge opportunity to expand on his character and really there is no reason to go back to the animus unless they pull it out of their ass.

[TCP]

I'm not so much opposed to Europe, as I am America. If you read other gaming sites (Kotaku) the general consensus seems to be The American Revolution would be the best place to set AC3. I disagree, if they're going to North America, I think a better setting would be Canada, and I think that's what Ubisoft Montreal would do too.

Realistically, it'll probably be in Asia or in modern times. Out of curiousity, the location from the last scene in AC:R, do we know where that was??

 

SixTwoSixFour, if you want to learn more about Desmond, AC:R has some pretty big sections devoted to him and his past. It's a pretty good game, just maybe a bit too much of "more of the same" but if you liked 2 and Brotherhood, you won't mind Revelations.

[Waldorf and Statler]

From the top of my mind, no. But chances are it is Europe since

 

 

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it's supposed to coincide with what Desmond found in the past and if it's anything important dealing with ezio and altair, it is somewhere in europe or the middle east. Most likely Europe since they spent 3 games in there.

 

[Connorrrr]

I'm excited for a new protagonist, be it Desmond or another historical assassin. One thing I loved about AC is I learnt things I didn't know about the renaissance, even among all the fiction (Machiavelli is an assassin lololol), so I wouldn't be too disappointed with another history setting.

 

Something that does play on my mind is how a present/futuristic setting would work. No one is using swords anymore, the whole swordplay battle mechanic would be thrown out of the window, presumably. I'm intrigued to see where it goes, anyway. I'm just glad they're finally moving on from Ezio.

[TCP]

  On 2/15/2012 at 9:27 PM, Waldorf And Statler said:

From the top of my mind, no. But chances are it is Europe since

 

 

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it's supposed to coincide with what Desmond found in the past and if it's anything important dealing with ezio and altair, it is somewhere in europe or the middle east. Most likely Europe since they spent 3 games in there.

 

I don't think they're confined to Europe. Remember in AC2 when they got all the codex pages together, and a map of the entire world appeared? All of these mysteries seem to date back to "the first people" who weren't just in Europe.

Actually, now that I think about it, over the course of AC:R, you hear conversations as they board a plane, back to North America, I think.

Edited February 15, 2012 by TheCowboyPoet

[Waldorf and Statler]

Actually I forgot about that. And yeah I just read the wiki, the central vault is located in New York. So it is not far fetched they will go around North America.