Cyberpunk

[TCP]

Me? Make shit up? NEVER!

[Mal]

The One and only, John Wick.

[toxicitizen]

Low-key the biggest bombshell of the conference lol. If there isn't a Johnny Mnemonic reference in there I'm gonna be mad.

[MetalCaveman]

HELL YEAH! \m/ \m/  

[Mal]

Oh yeah, release date is 4/16/2020. BUT KEANU REEVES.

[CorgiShinobi]

It really is breathtaking.

 

No, you're breathtaking!

[Mal]

Release delayed to September 17th, 2020. I'm actually okay with this. This first half of the year is just way too packed. Combined with work, there's just not enough time to really invest into all the games. 

 

[toxicitizen]

I don't mind the delay, what I do mind is them waiting until a week after I bought my goddamn GPU to announce it! I could've waited until summer to see if new GPUs were a better value!

 

Can't complain too hard, though. Witcher 3 is so damn good it's been consuming my entire existence since last week-end and running it at 60fps with hairworks on is like a cherry on top.

 

Also I guess that means RE3 has April all to itself now, which is probably for the best. Wouldn't want to feel like I have to rush it because of another game.

[CorgiShinobi]

I agree that the first half of the year is too packed, so I'm okay with the delay. It'll be a very happy birthday for me!

[Thursday Next]

On 10/16/2020 at 10:19 AM, Thursday Next said:

 

The last three are somewhat, but scope and delays not so much. Most AAA games have a pretty tight core loop, which is why most of them release on schedule.

 

I can't fault CDPR's ambition, but I just have a feeling it will land like No Man's Sky did. A sort of "oh, this is *it*?" feeling. It will have its fans, but I don't think it will be a 9/10 rated must-have.

 

I hope I'm wrong, if only because I've met CDPR folk and they are decent, like I say, just a gut feeling.

 

So... Rating's are currently high, but we've yet to see console scores come in and I don't think CDPR will sustain their 9/10s at that point, and it is a buggy dumpsterfire of a game. Feels like it was released too soon (perils of being publicly traded - you can only delay so much before investors get twitchy).

 

I'm glad I skipped on this as I don't really go in for the version of "mature" that CDPR subscribe to. Saying "fuck" loads, nakedness, and gore are not, imo signs of a mature game. Contrast God of War in PS1-3 era and God of War PS4. PS4 is infinitely more mature than 1-3 despite a lack of button mashing sex scenes.

 

That said, by all accounts, the world they've built is great and something that they can perhaps build on in the future.

[toxicitizen]

6 hours ago, Thursday Next said:

and it is a buggy dumpsterfire of a game. Feels like it was released too soon (perils of being publicly traded - you can only delay so much before investors get twitchy).

 

I can't comment on the console version as I haven't played it or followed it too closely but that one does sound like it needed more time in the oven and I'd be willing to bet it was the main reason behind the delays. The PC version isn't "a buggy dumpsterfire of a game" by any stretch of the imagination, though. It's honestly in a fairly good state for this kind of open-world RPG. Bethesda games usually launch in a worse state than this. Maybe I've been lucky but I haven't experienced anything game-breaking in my 20+ hours of playtime so far, mostly just funny jank.

[TheMightyEthan]

From what I'm hearing the console versions are no worse than the PC version if you play on next-gen via backward compatibility. On last-gen consoles though it runs like absolute poop.

[toxicitizen]

50 minutes ago, TheMightyEthan said:

From what I'm hearing the console versions are no worse than the PC version if you play on next-gen via backward compatibility. On last-gen consoles though it runs like absolute poop.

 

Yeah, ok, I wasn't sure about the next-gen consoles. I just knew the last-gen version ran like shit and it's like... yeah, what did people expect? It's pretty obvious at this point that the game evolved and became something more demanding than consoles released in 2013 could handle. Realistically, that version probably should've been canceled altogether. It was either that, the current situation or downgrading the entire game to make it more scalable across the board. And personally, I'm kinda glad they didn't go with that last one...

 

So it sounds like it's mostly just the last-gen console version being busted being conflated with the expected level of bugginess a game like this usually has at launch. That being said, hiding the state of the last-gen version until after launch was super shitty on their part.

[Mister Jack]

I've been hearing that patch 1.04 has brought the last gen versions into a state where it's playable and not offensively ugly. Obviously it isn't going to match the PC or next gen versions and there are still issues they're working out, but if reports are to be believed then at the very least the game isn't broken now. Of course I would have preferred that they at least delayed it until January to iron this shit out, but we all know why they didn't do that.

[deanb]

How is everyone doing that got this?

 

I've done the "get Keanu" mission. It took a fair while - it rail roads you quite a bit through the mission so what I planned to be a mission before bend ended up with my playing until 1am on the Sunday.

I'm slowly getting into the swing of things and understanding what the game wants you to do (though it doesn't half throw a lot of things at you at once). Can't help but compare it with Deus Ex and it is a bit lacking in certain areas (there's not much scope so far for like going through the areas differently - such as unlocking doors or what not). So far I'd say it feels more like GTA type game with cyber-dystopia trappings. And as an open world it's a very pretty city with a lot of verticality. Bit of a shame from Witcher series having pretty solid story and missions that this feels a bit like it doesn't want to explain things (or forgot to). I'm a cops "best merc". But apart from her phoning me on the regular and so far dumping 4 side-quests on me I've never met her or actually done any work for her. I don't know if maybe something is missing or it's in one of the other starting missions (I went Nomad) where you meet her and they forgot that it's only like if you're Street Kid/Corpo that you get the introductory mission with the cop.

 

Bug wise, it's 90% okay (I'm on PC). I get the occasional "Cyberpunk has flatlined" errors. Pre Patch 1.03 my guys head used to flop into his chest - which made movement a bit of a pain :P. He's also bald in the mirrors (though post 1.03 he now gets a brief flicker of hair before it unloads). Plenty civilians can phase through vehicles but that's not particularly game breaking. Textures and models not loading is quite fun. I found out what I thought was a pretty fun billboard poster was literally an error saying that world textures weren't loading  (which is one issue with the bugs - where you have a game with purposeful glitch effects it can be hard at times to tell if something is a bug or on purpose).

 

I got a GOG version of the game - this is my first "proper" game with GOG Galaxy (so far I've mostly used it for it's ability to combine services). Their patching system is more efficient on the download front, but the need to then over write all the files doesn't half hammer your CPU and disk drive.

 

Overall I'm having fun - not going to be taking up their refund offer. I know they've announced some 2 month plan - not had the time to read through that just yet.

[Thursday Next]

On 12/14/2020 at 8:46 PM, FLD said:

 

I just knew the last-gen version ran like shit and it's like... yeah, what did people expect?

 

In fairness, if you drop $60 on a game, even if it is a last gen version of a next gen game, I think it is not unreasonable to expect that you can play from beginning to end. CDPR really burned a lot of goodwill by screwing over what is probably their largest player base (next gen consoles are tiny compared to XBOne/PS4) PC might be larger, but it'll be close.

[TheMightyEthan]

Yeah, I watched a Digital Foundry breakdown of the last-gen versions yesterday, and it's unplayable on the 2013 consoles. We're talking framerates in the mid teens for extended periods whenever you're outdoors, graphical hangs of more than a minute before play resumes, constant shorter freezes as you move through the world and stuff loads in. The One X and PS4 Pro fair better, mostly 30 fps with drops into the mid-20's at stress points, and occasionally loading hitches but nothing like the base consoles, so it's at least playable. This is all with the 1.04 patch installed.

 

For next-gen, PS5 runs at almost locked 1188p60 (it's running the PS4 Pro version which has a max res of 1188p), with occasional drops into the 50's. Series X has an option to choose between performance and quality modes, performance is 1080p60 (although it doesn't maintain 60 as well as PS5 does), quality is dynamic 1188-1800p30. Xbox handles backwards compatibility differently than Playstation does, so devs have more ability to make customizations for next-gen hardware, which is why X gets two modes and 5 doesn't. Series S is a pretty much locked 900p30 (because it's running the One S version, like how the PS5 is running the PS4 Pro version).

 

*Edit - Moved this discussion to the Cyberpunk thread.

[Mister Jack]

@TheMightyEthan That video you watched, were they playing with motion blur/depth of field/chromatic aberration and all that stuff all turned on?

[TheMightyEthan]

I don't remember them saying one way or the other, so I'd assume they were on. My understanding from reading other things though was that that just makes it look sharper, it doesn't actually improve console performance.

[Mister Jack]

That's a rather odd claim since those are settings that usually cause big hits on performance in PC games. I guess I'll find out when my copy gets here.

[TheMightyEthan]

I think it's because those are settings that hit the GPU hard (especially depth of field), but the consoles aren't GPU limited, they're CPU limited, so freeing up GPU resources doesn't help.

[toxicitizen]

3 hours ago, Thursday Next said:

In fairness, if you drop $60 on a game, even if it is a last gen version of a next gen game, I think it is not unreasonable to expect that you can play from beginning to end. CDPR really burned a lot of goodwill by screwing over what is probably their largest player base (next gen consoles are tiny compared to XBOne/PS4) PC might be larger, but it'll be close. 

 

Oh absolutely, and hiding the state of that version was super shitty on their part. That's inexcusable. I'm just saying, it's not that surprising to me to hear the old consoles are struggling to run the game properly. According to that emergency board call that got posted online a few days ago, it sounds like it was (at least partially) a result of neglect on their part while they focused most of their attention on the PC version. So, hopefully, that means that it's possible to patch it to a more reasonable state.

[deanb]

On 12/14/2020 at 8:46 PM, FLD said:

I just knew the last-gen version ran like shit and it's like... yeah, what did people expect?

 

 

I guess people expecting it to run "surprisingly well". That's from their investor call too. I'm not sure what repercussions are for lying to investors (aside from the fact their share price nosedived after launch, though right after spiking up following the investor call).

 

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The game has been not presented on basic, not pro console PS4 and Xbox 1 so far. What is the performance of the game on this machine?

 

Of course, a bit lower than on pros, but surprisingly good, I would say for such a huge world. So, bit lower, but very good. That's the answer.

 

 

Yeah it's an open world but we've had plenty open-world games running on these systems (including Witcher 3 - which they even crammed that down to Switch). Given for much of its development PS5 and XSX wasn't a thing it's reasonable to assume that it would actually work on the current gen consoles. It should be "runs okay on PS4/XO but looks on PS5/XSX" rather than "runs dogshit on PS4/XO but as it should on PS5/XSX". My understanding is the actual native versions for next-gen aren't actually out yet either (I don't own a PS5 and didn't get this on console so haven't seen what was on sale in that area of things).

 

They straight up admitted the other day they'd purposefully withheld PS4 and Xbox One gameplay and information which is a giant "eek". They then also gave people a week to refund the game which I'm fairly sure is against EU regulations (yeah I checked. 14 day return window with no justification and 2 year for faulty/mis-advertised goods). That entire tweet on Monday just screamed "Exhibit B" in whatever class action goes their way.

 

1 hour ago, TheMightyEthan said:

*Edit - Moved this discussion to the Cyberpunk thread.

I was looking at this thread thinking ""wait, I swear Corgi was the last post here when I made my post".

 

 

On 12/15/2020 at 1:16 PM, deanb said:

I'm a cops "best merc". But apart from her phoning me on the regular and so far dumping 4 side-quests on me I've never met her or actually done any work for her. I don't know if maybe something is missing or it's in one of the other starting missions (I went Nomad) where you meet her and they forgot that it's only like if you're Street Kid/Corpo that you get the introductory mission with the cop.

I now have like 8 side-quests from her (I have completed one of them for her but funnily it wasn't one she'd asked me to do I just wandered into a dock and apparently I had a quest there from her). I'm now also getting other people phoning me up as if we have a long established relationship (and then they text me that they have a car to sell me).

Which is a query actually - how are you guys making money? Like I'm being offered crap cars for €$14,000 but I've barely made that much even after selling a bunch of guns n gear. Side quests either don't pay or don't pay much, and computers with cash hack mini-games are pretty rare. It's a triple bummer because I got a "low risk" quest to get my car from the garage which turned into a "High danger" quest when getting in my car triggered it getting totalled. So now I just have a motorbike - no mobile stash and it carries on falling into gaps. (at least no one stands inside it :P).

 

[toxicitizen]

4 minutes ago, deanb said:

 

 

I guess people expecting it to run "surprisingly well". That's from their investor call too. I'm not sure what repercussions are for lying to investors (aside from the fact their share price nosedived after launch, though right after spiking up following the investor call).

 

 

I never denied that they're liars. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[TheMightyEthan]

1 hour ago, deanb said:

My understanding is the actual native versions for next-gen aren't actually out yet either (I don't own a PS5 and didn't get this on console so haven't seen what was on sale in that area of things).

 

This is correct, the next gen consoles are just running the last-gen versions in backwards compatibility mode. It runs so much better just because they bring so much more raw horsepower to bear on it.