Ouya

[TheMightyEthan]

Why is this in mobile gaming? It's a home console.

[P4: Gritty Reboot]

While I agree with your points, Dean, the adapters/cables for phones can be just a few dollars online, depending on the phone. I haven't looked at what Samsung does with theirs.

[deanb]

Why is this in mobile gaming? It's a home console.

edit: The bugger is: is this mobile gaming or not. Technically not, but given it's android I guess it can go in here.

 

@P4: Yeah I've not done a full breakdown, was just an example since I'd been looking about. Some will be cheaper, some more expensive, some not at all(which was more the main point, the comment on cost was just an aside)

[TheMightyEthan]

I actually wouldn't mind seeing a proliferation of Android consoles. I've thought for some time that it would be nice for consoles to be kind of like PCs or DVD players where everybody may have a different one but they can still run (most of) the same content.

 

*Edit* - Though I understand that part of the benefit of consoles is that it's a set-spec platform so you know every one's the same and don't have to worry about compatibility issues.

Edited July 11, 2012 by TheMightyEthan

[Waldorf and Statler]

Basically what this console has going on for it, is something that's no use for me. Later on when they become a major competitor, hell I might consider it. But it all runs down to "it's $99 that's cheap"

 

This is great for others, I wish them all the best. And if great indi games come out for this and not Steam then hey, it's only 99 bucks to get.

 

edit: also I'd like to argue this whole discussion should go in the General Gaming chat. Its own thread is more than adequate, but just because it quacks like a duck it doesn't mean it is duck. In this case, it's a manwhore in a duck costume.

Edited July 12, 2012 by Waldorf And Statler

[deanb]

Given this is Android and Steam is PC I don't think there will be a huge amount of overlap. Stuff like Osmos, Dungeon Defenders, World of Goo, not much else beyond that.

[Cyber Rat]

Do you realize what you've done? You proved consoles aren't dead. You shocked the world. And us!

 

From Ouya's Kickstarter page update.

 

What is this? I don't even know where to begin...

[TheMightyEthan]

I agree that this should go in General Gaming Chat.

[Eleven]

I DEMAND this thread be moved! Who is with me!?!

[Waldorf and Statler]

Yeah I wouldn't say consoles are dead. Now if they had said "Do you know what you've done? You've proven open source consoles with F2P games are a possibility! thank you" I would have been

 

all right. coo'

[Strangelove]

http://www.engadget....-ouyas-success/

 

I had a long written rant about how this thing is overrated and pointless, but....yeah. It's overrated and pointless. That pretty much covers it. It's a fad and we wont be speaking of it by this time next year. I'm calling it now.

 

I try hard not to barge in and rain/shit on people's parades, but the hype is hard to ignore at this point.

Edited July 13, 2012 by Strangelove

[Waldorf and Statler]

I find myself in a weird situation here.

 

I'm somewhat agreeing with Strangelove, to a lesser extent. And that scares me.

[Faiblesse Des Sens]

Overrated? I think I've seen more posts disparaging it from the media than articles in favor it.

 

Pointless? Yeah, good luck finding another $100 machine that does what it does.

[Strangelove]

But I'm not looking for a $100 machine at all. I have a home console, a pc/laptop, and a smartphone. I got all my bases covered. I would think most people interested in games or technology are the same. Hell, the average person has at least a pc and a phone. They dont give a shit about this thing either.

It's a novelty. Its not going to change anything like people think it is. The landscape will stay the same.

 

That's why I think it's pointless.

 

I will say that the people who are funding this will get a kick out of it. Theyll tinker with it for a year or 2 and their hundred dollars wont be in vain. Nerds like fucking around with gimmicky shit. Thats why Kinect is so much better on pc than on the 360.

 

But the average person wont even know it existed. Thats how little impact it will have.

Edited July 13, 2012 by Strangelove

[Faiblesse Des Sens]

I have the same, and all of those are a pain in the ass to hook up to my TV or they don't have the same capabilities. This will be a nice little all-in-one package that will be TV dedicated and you bet your ass I'm going to root the shit out of it and get whatever crazy media capability I can out of it.

 

Also, your views are not everyone's views. You're too old to keep making that mistake. This has already made too much of a stir to be pointless.

[Strangelove]

Overgeneralizing is what it's all about. Its how you gauge success and failure. More people don't want this than want it. 40,000 people donating to this thing is a drop in the bucket. The 3DS just sold like 8 million and its only been out for a year. THAT is something that matters.

 

Remember that whole Kony thing? That made a stir too, but we wont bring it up by this time next year either. A fad is a fad.

 

You're banking on potential. Potential goes both ways.

[Eleven]

So potential goes both ways.

 

So it means this "could be pointless". Not pointless, period.

 

And that's exactly what I'm hoping for. For this to not be pointless. For this to change something in the console landscape.

 

EVERYTHING has the potential to be pointless. The Wii is pointless to me. It bought, what, motion controls to the PS3 and 360. Which was also pointless to me. But not to everyone and their grandmother who bought the thing for their kids and their' kids' kids.

 

We cannot just stop supporting the everything, because it has the potential to fail.

 

And yes you generalize too much (at least here). At least I'm basing my views on it on the $4,309,662 pledged so far, not on what I think people I know would do.

[MasterDex]

I have to echo eleven here. I don't see why we should hold such pessimistic an attitude towards this and its chances of success. It's going to be an uphill struggle, I'll grant you that but if it does succeed, even on a small level, it could do a lot of good for console gaming, and gaming in general.

 

Let's wait to see how it goes when it hits the market. It could end up becoming a runaway success for all we know at this point.

 

This is also a good time to point out that it's project like this that Kickstarter is perfect for. These left-field ideas are hard to fund under traditional models because the ones handing out the funding only care about numbers like 8 million. Yet this very type of idea is the kind that has the potential to push mediums forward. Remember, a drop in a bucket still creates ripples.

Edited July 13, 2012 by MasterDex

[deanb]

Yeah I've seen a few folks forget it's KickSTARTER (not KickAdvertising..) so of course the project we see now is going to be barebones. I think a part of the backlash is from "eww phone games", which is stupid given the reason people go "eww phone games" in the first place is a lack of buttons n controllers which this solve. Oh and even without something like this on the market to prompt it as I pointed out to duke yesterday there are a fair few android games with controller support already: forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1542820

 

People also seem to be thinking it's meant to be wanting to take on PS3, 360 and their next-gen equivalents. The $99 launch price n smartphone guts should spell out the obvious there. Though it is aiming to take on the high price of entry both owning and developing for these consoles have.

[Thursday Next]

I think this could have a significant impact.

 

Each console is not just a games playing machine. It's also a software development kit which means that people will be able to make games that readily translate to consoles. It could be a great way for new "bedroom developers" to get noticed and have their games end up on XBLA or PSN. It could also see Android becoming a desktop OS. I assume there is nothing stopping people hooking up a mouse and keyboard to this and making email clients, word processors, spreadsheets, etc...

 

Finally, this thing is cheap, and being android based already has a decent back-catalogue of games. I'm interested to see what the ecosystem looks like though.

[Thorgi Duke of Frisbee]

I'm betting on the "will be pointless" side, because it's easier and cheaper to be a pessimist, and also because their Kickstarter page is filled with contradictions and half-truths.

[deanb]

Like...

[TheMightyEthan]

I would love to see this be a success, but at this point I don't think it's likely. I don't really have anything to back that up though, it's just my gut reaction.

[Strangelove]

Like I said earlier, I'm not trying to go out of my way to dump on your dreams. But when I saw that article, my eyes rolled so hard that if I were a cartoon character they would have popped out of my fucking head.

 

Im all for being optimistic, but its hard to be that way in the face of such blind devotion and optimism to something that doesn't even exist(I still even doubt it ever will).

Its an open platform for anyone to make a game and its good technology for a cheap price. That's about the gist of it and it does sound good.

But why would games be made on it when so few will have it? Not to mention using tools to make something on iOS or even better, a pc game. What the fuck is wrong with pc games? As far as I know, you can also develop anything you want on it and you can still hook it up to your tv and play it with a controller. Its the same shit. For years pc gamers have tried to convince console gamers that hooking up your pc or laptop to your tv and a controller is EXACTLY as convenient as a console. "Well, you can sit on a couch in front of a huge hdtv with pc games too!"

Now its NOT easy and its NOT convenient? Make up your fucking minds.

Their tagline even points out how its so cool because its on your tv and not on your pc monitor or phone.

And what about preexisting apps and games? No one is going to bother to update them to these new controls. Some already have it, but most do not. Why would you even bother if there such a small install base? No one is going to pay you to put that extra effort in.

And people think phone games are cheap because most of them are. Theyre cheap and theyre hollow. I still cant believe people play Angry Birds on their fucking tv. Thats ridiculous. But I suppose that proves those dullards exist.

 

I will also dont see this changing anything. Its just not. MS and Sony and Nintendo consoles aren't going to ever be open to modders, hackers and developers. At most and this is me being very optimistic, it will make them rethink putting such barriers when it comes to putting games up on their online store. Then again, the fucking XBL indie store has so much crap already. So I don't see that as a positive change. I need someone weeding out the shit. Im too lazy to try a million different games to find the ones I like. Gaming is only my hobby up to a certain point. I personally am not willing to work for it.

 

This thing will survive(if it even gets made) for a few years because of people who want to develop on it for the sake of developing on it, for the novelty of it, kind of like people who make games for a TI-83 calculator. No one wants to game on that shit, but its cool to have Super Mario Bros. on it. As a novelty. Just to say it's capable of it, though cheaply.

 

Honestly, I see this thing being a really awesome media machine. They should have thrown in a remote instead of a controller.

 

And no, i don't want this to fail. It'll be great if I'm proven wrong. The prospect is sound, the enthusiasm for it isn't. Not exactly at this very moment. Prematurely blowing your load is not a good trait to have. Once it gets into the hands of the people, then you can begin to get excited for it as you are now. Ill be right there with you.

Otherwise, this is parallel to a politician telling me theyre going to solve the economic crisis without actually doing anything. Its just them saying it. its worthless to me. Show me first.

Edited July 13, 2012 by Strangelove

[madbassman39]

I hope it does well, but like I said, if there is no specific development t for this device, than why would one buy this when they already have a device that can play these games?

 

The infrastructure is nothing you cant already buy in a device, and the real kicker is the idea that why would a developer limit themselves to this audience when there are already going to be more people who can play theorems games? The most I see as an out come is more games will have controller support for the phone.

 

I don't see a developers spending the money to make an exclusive for this device when you or I already have a device in our pocket that can play their games.