CorgiShinobi Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 On 11/9/2012 at 8:58 AM, Waldorf And Statler said: Nice clips but they didn't tell me much and only made me want the episode here quicker. Two things I got from the clips. Reveal hidden contents 1. Alternate timeline Simon essentially sacrificed himself by preventing all the bombs from landing in the surrounding area. It seems that perhaps he only had enough magic/strength to stop one last bomb right above him. By the time he got to it, he froze it but was so close it either trapped him or crushed him. 2. In the second clip, it appears that Finn is wearing the Ice King crown. The Lich might be appearing in that timeline for the first time, and that is why the Prismo guy is suggesting Jake use his wish to help "him" while looking at the ongoing scene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VicariousShaner Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 Just finished watching Season 5 episode 1. Reveal hidden contents Pretty dissapointing the entire debacle was resolved entirely within 1 full episode. As for the episode itself, it was pretty good, and certainly told us a lot more about the land of Ooh, and what happened. I wonder why Simon didn't stop the bomb in the normal timeline? This also brings up quite a few more questions, such as: Why is the atom bomb filled with evil Lich juice? Why is Marceline so....not teenage in this new timeline? How did Finn lose his arm? Why exactly can the Ice King talk after being crushed? Or is Marceline just crazy? Why did it take Simon so much longer to be crushed by the crown's influence than Finn? What exactly IS Prismo, and the Cosmic Owl? Why does the leader of the Destiny Gang have such amazing fashion sense? Why does the Lich appear in the alternate reality, despite that being the very thing the wish said wouldn't happen? And finally, how is it possible Jake is so awful at making wishes? I really do wonder what direction the series will take after this episode, and if we'll ever go back to that alternate reality. With so little time spent there, it seems like it would make sense to have a few more episodes exploring that reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 where did you watch it? Link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 (edited) nvm just saw them. EPISODE 1/2 SPOILERS BELOW Reveal hidden contents I didn't mind the resolution in one special. It works out for the silliness of the show, and we got to see more backstory which is always good. As to some of your questions: 1. The lich being in the atom bomb might be this show's representation of nuclear disaster over explaining to kids the horrors of war in a kids show. 2. Marceline is not a teenager in this timeline because she was never separated from Simon, never beat the Vampire King and never became the Vampire Queen. She's only a half-demon in this timeline, not immortal. 3.Finn losing his arm has no explanation. We're supposed to accept this world is mechanical/steampunk and accept it. No reason to explain. 4. Simon taking longer probably has to do with brain capacity/intelligence. Simon had one of those brain worms in his pocket, and those only tend to go towards doctors/scientists/geniuses. Hence why it took it longer to make him go as crazy as Finn. 5. The lich appeared in this reality because he explained his wishes are twisted unless you're really specific. In this case since Finn wasn't as specific or as tricky as possible he simply made it where the Lich technically did not exist UNTIL Finn did something. As to the show exploring this alternate timeline it is not likely. They already showed where the timeline was going and it basically doomed the whole world. No other story to tell and the timeline technically does not exist anymore. Now the Lich is still alive, Finn and Jake are as well and all is back to normal. Edited November 11, 2012 by Waldorf And Statler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 (edited) Yeah, I couldn't resist and watched the episodes too. I didn't expect a tell-all since Adventure Time isn't geared toward a more adult narrative, but the writers and artists throw in the hints that we can pick up on. W&S pretty much nailed it, and obviously most wishing scenarios are going to be Monkey's Palm because the concept of instant gratification is all too fantastic and there must be consequences to altering reality. The things we learned in this episode: Reveal hidden contents The theory that the residents of Ooo came from a mutagenic past could be confirmed here, but at the same time we could believe that magic was also a factor into the shaping of recent history. While W&S nails it in that The Lich is the personification of a nuclear disaster, it seems that there must have been other supernatural forces before the bomb. After all, Marceline was still half-demon. Everything else was pure fan service. Seeing Finn's parents and having a sibling, along with his last name. Also, Prismo and the Cosmic Owl are buddies that enjoy hot tubing and board games. Speaking of, the only complaint I had with all two episodes was how Prismo spelled out Jake's actual wish. The ongoing gag is that Jake tends to wish for or ask for a sandwich when presented with a choice (which was still a good gag in this episode). Personally, I would have liked it if Jake really thought out his wish with Prismo only hinting as what to do rather than spelling it out. Edited November 11, 2012 by Atomsk88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted November 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 Wait where are you guys seeing this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 On 11/11/2012 at 6:42 AM, Mister Jack said: Wait where are you guys seeing this? The actual episodes were leaked days before, which is why we have those "preview" clips I posted. If you want, Upload Date is a good filter. *cough* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted November 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 Just finished watching. Reveal hidden contents Did they actually say the word "atomic" or "nuclear" to describe the bomb? I don't recall hearing it, but I DID hear the word "mutagen," so maybe the bombs aren't actually nukes as we know them. After all, if Finn detonated a nuke with ice magic then everyone should probably be dead. This is also pretty solid evidence that the Lich came into being when the bombs were originally set off in the "main" timeline of Ooo. This also begs the question of what Simon did INSTEAD of freeze the bomb in the timeline of the main Ooo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 pretty much yeah. Reveal hidden contents I like the fact that in this timeline Marceline met Simon either before he died or after. So that means the world was already at war before we saw them in Remember You. Or she met him via other means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 I'm thinking it was like in the main timeline where Reveal hidden contents they do meet, but rather than separating at some point (which Simon and Marcy should explain), Simon confronted the bomb and Marceline was left with a crushed Simon. And they don't specify nuclear, but the green ooze we've seen The Lich around seems like a parallel to nuclear waste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 Then that implies Reveal hidden contents The war was already started and the world was in ruins before they met. But in the song it says it was them two in the whole world, so if they did meet the world was already over. I'm assuming he was crushed by the bomb and marcy somehow found him and got to know him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 (edited) On 11/11/2012 at 7:54 AM, Waldorf And Statler said: Then that implies Reveal hidden contents The war was already started and the world was in ruins before they met. But in the song it says it was them two in the whole world, so if they did meet the world was already over. I'm assuming he was crushed by the bomb and marcy somehow found him and got to know him. I wouldn't be too literal because Reveal hidden contents Well... yeah. They were in the wake of the war in a destroyed city. The note/song Simon writes was his message to Marceline, and it was Simon wondering if they were the only two left in the world. (EDIT: Reads as "Marceline, is it just you & me in the wreckage of the world?) Chances are the war had left little life, but there had to be others. In a last ditch effort, we have the planes and the bomb. Cities can be in ruin, and the population can be a fraction of what it once was, but The Lich wasn't the one responsible for that so he doesn't need to appear first. The war was already doing that, but in the altered timeline Simon had changed to where he confronted the planes and bomb. As Finn's wish was, The Lich didn't exist because alternate Simon stopped his creation. EDIT: In fact, that is the sole turning point that was the result of Finn's wish. Edited November 11, 2012 by Atomsk88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted November 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 Reveal hidden contents I couldn't help but think that Finn was way better at being an Ice King than Simon. By the way, what was Finn's last name exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 Not sure of the exact spelling, but it's Reveal hidden contents Mertens Also, the Destiny Gang's mansion was the haunted mansion from The Creeps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted November 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 Reveal hidden contents I also like how the Cosmic Owl went from being this mysterious entity to: "Hey dude I brought the board ga---WHO'S THIS HOMEWRECKER?!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VicariousShaner Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 Mister Jack: Reveal hidden contents Well, technically he just gave in to the powers way, way more easily. Perhaps Simon is still kind of in there, only being able to not hurt anybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Watched the premiere (again) on television, and Jack, about the weapon... Reveal hidden contents When the bomb went off, the surrounding environment was either scorched or still had green flame left. How Finn and the other survived was because of the ice encasing them. The dark part of this is that the other humans either died, or possibly mutated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Mutation is a possibility seeing how Reveal hidden contents finn has no nose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Prepare for sadness, because like we were talking about before, Marcy... Reveal hidden contents deviantART Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted November 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Speaking of Marcy Reveal hidden contents This episode pretty much proved that she wasn't a vampire when she started hanging around Simon. I'm betting Marceline didn't become a vampire until after she and Simon separated from each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Well yeah. I think Pen Ward confirmed that she became the vampire queen by defeating the vampire king, and seeing how Simon didn't leave her too much later when she was still a kid it is not that weird. She must've become the vampire queen around her current physical age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Ho damn this cover is beautiful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excel_excel Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 I'm quite happy taking my time, nearly finished season 2. Oh my Glob too many spoilers! Love the show so much. Its so easy to fall in love with, its got so much charm. hope Cinnamon Bun has more appearances. I love that guy! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 I suggest you don't read back anymore. Sorry at this point we didn't expect anybody else to watch the show.in this forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted November 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 New Bravest Warriors I'm pretty sure I've heard that old guy before. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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