Waldorf and Statler Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 I just don't like it because it has too much Deviantart yaoi fan girl written all over it. I personally haven't seen any yaoi shit but lord knows I probably wouldn't have to search hard to find marshall lee and prince bubblegum making out bull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted October 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Oh god...I just realized that the amount of crack shipping with Marceline and Ice King is gonna be huuuuge... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 See I find that disturbing too. It's such a cute and innocent relationship between the [supposed] last two survivors of the mushroom war and some are gonna turn it into something disgusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted October 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Well, when a show has a fandom it's inescapable. In the last few days I've been doing google image searches for "Marceline and Simon" because I like the pictures people have been drawing, so now I'm beginning to dread what will eventually come up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 (edited) I think what made the Fionna and Cake episode was how in the end it was a fanfic written by the Ice King. I mean, it kinda worked itself into the world of Adventure Time given that Ice King would do something to that nature. It did start off as a fan's Rule 63, gained a following, and became an episode. Whatever fans do with the material afterwards is inescapable because it is a fandom (like Jack said). Edited October 21, 2012 by Atomsk88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Well then I'm hoping this next sex-change episode ends with Finn and Jake again captured by the Ice King so they listen to his new fanfic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted October 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 (edited) Watching it again, some of the subtext is really beginning to sink in. Like when he wrote "And I need to save you, but who's going to save me" it really implies that Simon willingly wore the crown and accelerated his own mental degeneration in exchange for the power to protect Marceline from whatever dangers were lurking around in the wasteland. He might have been doomed either way, but he was still essentially sacrificing himself for her sake, and no matter how you slice it that's downright noble. Also, I'm hoping that Marceline and the current Ice King develop a relationship (not THAT kind). Marceline probably knew to some extent what happened, but that message he wrote seemed to surprise her. I guess I can say she KNEW, but she didn't UNDERSTAND until she saw it. Up until this episode, Marceline went out of her way to avoid the Ice King to the point of constantly moving around just to stay under his radar, but maybe now she'll warm up to him a little. Even if he's not the man he used to be, maybe somewhere in that crazy head of his he still has the capacity to care about her. He keeps finding her, after all. There must be some part of him that is still attached to her, even if he doesn't remember why, so hopefully Marceline will be more willing to let him visit her so he won't be so lonely all the time. Edited October 21, 2012 by Mister Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Well some stuff came up from rewatching the episode and reading the wikia: -Ice King subconsciously has an attraction to come to Marceline. Part of the reason he likes her music so much is due to his subconscious [simon] knowing who she is and always wanting to find her to see her again. After Betty left him, Marceline is probably the closest he came to loving someone like family. -He said the pages smelled like wet tears. This is implying he has at some point, or many times before, regained some knowledge about who he is and what he has become, seen the scrapbook and started to cry over the memories/realization. Then he forgets again [Alzheimer's and Dementia]. -While Marceline says she moves around to try and avoid him, she also sang in the earlier part of her singing that she's always glad to see him when he DOES find her again. Similar to dear family members with Alzheimer's. You dread seeing them to realize they don't recognize you but when you do all the good memories come flooding and whether they recognize you or not, it STILL is the person you care about. -When he pushed Marceline away, he showed more remorse about simply pushing someone than he does about doing something that could be considered worst to someone else. Like removing body parts from princesses, or freezing Finn and Jake so they spend time with him. And yeah I agree with you Jack. Hence why I want to see an episode where they show glimpses of their journey and him losing his mind, or an episode where Simon escapes the madness for a second, says something to her, then loses it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 (edited) Well, the fan that started it all is an artist working on Adventure Time. Natasha for sure pushed this side of the fandom much further along than it would have without her. She's a great artist for sure but she does has "that" sort of artist feeling to her. Though her stuff are pretty mild compare to the other stuff I have seen. If I can deal with the MLP side of this sort of thing, I can for sure deal with the Adventure Time side.\ Edit: And that is what I get for forgetting to post my reply earlier. Doh. Edited October 21, 2012 by MaliciousH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 It's cool we know what you were talking about haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted October 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Oh god. I watched the Christmas special again to see if there were any retroactive clues on Simon, but I forgot about this part. In case you've forgotten, that's the Ice King happily frolicking in a pile of boogers. I mean...I laughed and all but EW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 The Christmas special was pretty much an introduction to the character of Simon, so I don't believe there is much to it other than the big reveal that Ice King use to be human. I wonder how long they had this plot about Ice King and Marceline? In the very same special, Marceline is outside the treehouse. No one ever made a big deal about it given that it's something Marceline could do as her "spooky" self. Thing is, I think for the entire four seasons, they've been careful not to depict the two together in any one scene. At least, I can't think of any instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 They haven't ever really been together yeah. Storylines of Marcelines with others usually just involve Finn and Jake and once in a while Princess Bubblegum. So they probably had something of a plan that these two would know each other, yet didn't want to show their relationship too much beforehand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VicariousShaner Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 I recently watched I Remember You as well, after being a relative fan of the show. I bawled like a baby, no regrets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted October 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 It kills me to know this show is going to lose the Emmy to another crappy Simpsons anthology episode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 I wouldn't say so just yet. It hasn't had an episode like this before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted October 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 Honestly, with the little regard the Emmys gives to the animated category (Penguins of Madagascar?) I'd be surprised if Adventure Time even got a nomination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) Holy Biscuits! I'm watching I Remember You again and... THE LICH SNAIL IS ON THE ICE KING'S WINDOWSILL! EDIT: I looked into it and it turns out the snail is a running gag. Even when possessed by the Lich, all it is is a gag. Edited October 22, 2012 by Atomsk88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 The Lich episode deals with the Enchiridion and showing more of the past. Maybe they'll show how the Enchiridion came to be, aka showing some more Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 god dammit I thought I was done with these but nope :'( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 Seriously, I've seen a lot of sad things as far as television series go, but this one is simply sticking to me and making me tearful. The implications, what emotion must have been created in the span of 1000 years, one involving a broken-hearted girl and the other a pathetic loon who has unknowingly lost his true self. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted October 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 I just had a horrible thought. Okay, so there's a good chance that Marceline wasn't always a vampire. She was always at least half demon or whatever the hell Hunson is supposed to be, but whenever we see her as a little kid she doesn't have bite marks in her neck. So while Hunson was off doing god knows what, Marceline was being taken care of by Simon. At some point he went away and Marceline was on her own again. At some point after that Hunson showed up and became part of her life. Since she's not a vampire, she needs food to live. What does her dad do? Eat her fucking fries that he doesn't even need. So ultimately I'm getting at this: What if Marceline became a vampire because otherwise she would have STARVED TO DEATH? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) I don't think it's quite that dark haha. She has bite marks at one point and became the vampire queen by defeating the king. So maybe she defeated him, made him bite her, and became the queen. Also some light-hearted awesome sauce. A Song of Adventure and Rainicorns Edited October 22, 2012 by Waldorf And Statler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted October 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 CLIFFHANGER FUUUUUUUUUUCK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 After last week's episode that was the most anticlimactic shit ever. We won't know what happens for 2-3 weeks and cliffhangers are just the cheapest ploys to keep people interested. After last week's episode, this is just... ugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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