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If he appears as a force ghost, then that itself is a retcon because only Jedi are suppose to be able to achieve sentience in the Force after their death with the proper training. Darth Bane appearing in Clone Wars was explained as a vision/illusion to test Yoda's resolve.

 

I hope they don't go down the clone route. That was in Legends and at this point in Star Wars I feel we're past clones. I honestly can't think of a way for Palpatine to be cleanly inserted into The Rise of Skywalker. If a replica droid is an option, then we've basically got Space Mecha-Hitler. Otherwise, I have to imagine that Kylo Ren (Ben Solo) would dig deep into the Dark Side and think to himself that for him to become or even surpass Darth Vader, he would need the knowledge of his grandfather's master. Snoke was not a Sith and he most certainly didn't plan on abiding by the Rule of Two. Kylo Ren only defeated his master by trickery, which is an option for Sith, but it leaves a power gap if you didn't learn most everything they had to offer as a master.

 

I imagine the significance of "The Rise of Skywalker" is Kylo Ren realizing his mistakes and ultimately dismantling the First Order. A near parallel to when his grandfather turned on Palpatine to rescue Luke and thwart both a personal and galactic evil. Essentially Ben will own up to the Skywalker heritage and not the persona of Darth Vader.

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In which film/tv show does it say that dark side users can't be force ghosts? Also, how did Anakin become one if it requires training? I feel like they're just making this up as they go along!!! 

Kylo becoming good doesn't really make him a Skywalker, even before he turned good, he was a Solo.

The Rise of Skywalker is an OK name, it's better than Attack of the Clones or The Empire Strikes Back. 

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All kinds of media that came out after Return of the Jedi, so you know.

 

It's an ironic aspect to Light versus Dark when it comes to the goals of both the Jedi and Sith. Sith seek power and a means to keep that power, in so much to seek immortality through various means. The Jedi don't inherently have a desire for immortality as they view death being essential to the natural balance of the Force. Still, if there was a need for it, a Jedi could obtain the hidden ability Jedi alone are capable of. Bare in mind there has been so much flip-floping of lore and theory that at this point Abrams could be a complete dick and flip the switch and people would probably just shrug their shoulders.

 

Ben's mother is a Skywalker, so it's part of his heritage just as how he views Darth Vader, his maternal grandfather. What I'm driving at is that like in Return of the Jedi and Revenge of the Sith, near the end there's going to be a shift in Ben's character to commit an ultimate act that turns the tides. Ben acting upon something good could be seen as him realizing his Skywalker lineage, hence he rises from the Darth Vader allusion.

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See this is pretty much the kind of thing I think the "A Star Wars Story" stuff should have been. Set within the universe of Star Wars but distinctly separate from the main line stuff, rather than giving a feature film on "how they got the death star plans and why there's a blow-up-death-star hole" and "how Han Solo got his name and gun". Clone Wars and Rebels have introduced tons of side characters that TV/films could be made from. So fingers crossed this'll be good.

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I'm excited, but at the same time I don't like how Abrams has directed another Star Wars film relying on the original trilogy. Using Palpatine, the second Death Star...

 

Say what you will about The Last Jedi, but at least it went outside the norm. Also, I still stand by my theory of "The Rise of Skywalker" referring to Kylo Ren redeeming himself and embracing his Skywalker linage rather than the Vader imagery. That scene where him and Rey are smashing some item (probably an illusion) hints that Palpatine might be both their enemy.

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On 10/23/2019 at 4:43 PM, CorgiShinobi said:

Also, I still stand by my theory of "The Rise of Skywalker" referring to Kylo Ren redeeming himself and embracing his Skywalker linage rather than the Vader imagery.

 

Skywalkers so far are two to one on turning to the dark side.

I think the smashed item is a Knight of Ren (or statue of a knight of ren).

 

 

On 10/29/2019 at 4:26 PM, TheMightyEthan said:

No Boba Fett movie can ever top the original.

 

What of this Boba Fett movie?

 

 

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The Mandalorian is pretty good (I know it's not out in the Outer Rim for a few parsecs but I smuggled it past an imperial blockade). First five minutes is clearly just "people like Boba Fett, how do we make them forget him" and hey look what we get. And this guy hasn't fallen down a Sarlac pit knocked over by a blind guy on accident yet!

 

It's pretty much what I'd have wanted from a "A Star Wars Story" type film; to explore other stories going on around folks without having to bring in a Skywalker or what not. It's got a lot of "oh it's that thing from that thing" stuff going on but it nothing really strained so far. End of the day it's Star Wars and you're going to get stormtroopers (or similar), you're going to get droids, speeders, etc. I can kinda forgive that carbonite freezing is now a fairly small scale self-contained and regular thing rather than experimental, risky, and requiring a decently sized facility.

 

It's looking like it will be a fun slick romp in the backyard of Star Wars.

 

I have spoken.

 

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1 hour ago, Mal said:

Gotta stand firm on not wanting Disney +... 

 

You can watch all of Clone Wars on Disney+. ?

 

It's what I'm doing, mainly because I haven't watched it in years. I've been listening to the audiobook version of Star Wars: Ahsoka, which has Ashley Eckstein (Ahsoka's VA) as the narrator. It's so great that I've been craving that sweet non-film prequel content. After all, Clone Wars Season 7 is coming soon. (I think Feb 2020, right?)

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I can't say I'm genuinely surprised since I've never been fond of Abrams coming back. From what I've gathered without spoiling too much, it's a film that can't be bothered telling an actual story and instead wants to deliver fan service along with a menagerie of characters substituting genuine development. A kind of, "Abrams, get back here and quell the angry fans by jangling your keys!"

 

There are people convinced that critics are wrong because of TLJ critic scores in the past. Alternatively, if somehow the movie is actually terrible, then it's Rian Johnson's fault. "It was too much of a mess to recover from!" My ass, that's Grade A loserthink that somehow Abrams and staff couldn't be assed to make a working plot with the characters, powers, and money of the Star Wars franchise.

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Yeah, I've surprised myself by discovering that I have no desire to see ROS in theaters. First time for a main line Star Wars during my life. I really liked TLJ, but as soon as they gave it back to Abrams and it became clear they were going to "fix" the "problems" from TLJ I completely lost interest.

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