madbassman39 Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Yeah, I didn't think of that. I'm curious as to how they are going to explain their powers. I have a feeling its going to come from the lore that Agents of SHIELD use, basically saying that its all part of the extremis experiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Or the lore Avengers already used which is "let's just not explain their powers unless they've an origin movie". They've not covered black widows powers yet as far as I'm aware (though going to see Captain America 2 tonight and that seems to feature her heavily so might cover it), Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Black widow has powers? I thought she was just supposed to be a badass, like Batman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 She's Russian equivalent of Captain America. She's also not much younger than he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 (edited) Neither Black Widow nor Hawkeye have super powers. They're just really skilled. I believe Black Widow is supposed to age slower than normal (can't remember why) but we I'm not sure if that's part of the film canon, since that was all Cold War stuff. Though I'd love to see Marvel go, "Scarlett Johansson's character is REALLY SEVENTY YEARS OLD". I hope it's not related to Extremis or whatever. The Ultimate universe built everything around the super soldier serum...which was actually kinda interesting, but I couldn't see something like that working here. They seem to have developed everything around the tesseract, so that could have something to do with it. Plus, considering where the cinematic universe seems to be heading, I'd take a guess it'll be related to cosmic thingamies. That's the technical term. Edited March 26, 2014 by Hot Heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 She ages slower than normal due to being Russian Captain America with the super soldier serum. Which in the marvel movie universe they've already said Hulk is a a case of it's redevelopment going wrong so Black Widow also been a recipient of a SSS equivalent doesn't seem too far fetched than just "she's pretty skilled". They could work Scarlet Witch's powers into being Cosmic Cube related, similar powers and such. But might not stretch far for Quicksilver. it's a fair while off, we'll see. I'm reckoning they're going to just be all "because" with upcoming powers. Especially as they've got Doctor Strange to include in there somewhere. As Empire noted they already turned Asgardian "magic" into quantum science, so then turning around and going "oh well actually this guy is magic" might be a bit off key. Though...Guardians of the Galaxy implies they're not playing to one tune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 It doesn't seem too farfetched, no, but so far there are no real hints that they're going with that approach. It's not as if they need to retcon things to have Black Widow around for a long time like the comics. All we know is that she started being trained really young and has a very red ledger. They've not neglected to explain her superpowers because they haven't necessarily given her any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Yeah, it's not that it's far fetched, it's that there's no suggestion of it. She hasn't ever been presented as being so badass that she needs superpowers to justify it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 (edited) Right. End of Captain America 2 answers the question of Wanda and Petrof: Reveal hidden contents "The Twins" are Hydra experiments using Loki's staff (the "Loki Pokey Stick" as my housemate has decided to call it). "Now is the age of miracles". Black Widow's past isn't covered (though hinted at) and it's strongly implied that Reveal hidden contents She's only ever been a target of Winter Solider, so they've never worked together as comics have in her past. Also for not much been bothered to watch Captain America 2 I'd say it's actually pretty good. Action was kept going and it actually fills in a lot of plot holes from past films and for future films Reveal hidden contents Well we've all seen the trailers to know SHIELD will be taking a back seat for a long while stuff is going to change a little bit. And while there's a really obvious twist in the film you can see 9 realms away, there's a rather nice twist that they've kept hidden well (though maybe if I was to be following everything I'd know it was coming). Edited March 27, 2014 by Deanb To clarify; this is Captain America Winter Soldier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Just to be clear, those are Captain America 2 spoilers, not Captain America 1 spoilers, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Oh yeah sorry. Just come from the cinema watching it. I shall edit to make that clearer (not that mentioning Wanda and Petrof should drop hints) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Yeah, it was just the very beginning of the comment that I didn't catch. Almost opened it and then thought "wait a minute..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) Ha! (really super ridiculously minor Lego Marvel Super Heroes spoilers): This game may not be canon itself, but it's based on the movie verse. In case it's not clear he's talking about Hawkeye and Black Widow. *Edit* - I realize this is insanely flimsy evidence, it just amused me that we were just talking about this and then I get to this cutscene in the game. Edited March 28, 2014 by TheMightyEthan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 Dean, without spoiling anything, what are the post-credit scenes?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 On 3/28/2014 at 3:12 AM, The Cowboy Poet said: Dean, without spoiling anything, what are the post-credit scenes?! Errr.... Joke, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 I don't joke around when it comes to Marvel, Dean. I meant are the post-credits scenes Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-man, Avengers 2 related OR is it more like Iron Man 3 and not really a connection to an upcoming film. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 Oh. Avengers 2. On 3/27/2014 at 12:55 AM, Deanb said: Right. End of Captain America 2 answers the question of Wanda and Petrof: Reveal hidden contents "The Twins" are Hydra experiments using Loki's staff (the "Loki Pokey Stick" as my housemate has decided to call it). "Now is the age of miracles". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 Dang, I was hoping it answers the questions of Wanda and Petrof in Ant-Man. COME ON, TCP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 SHUT UP HOT HEART! I DIDN'T KNOW IF HE MEANT THE END OF THE FILM OR A POST-CREDITS SCENE!!!!! I HATE YOU! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 Sorry re-reading this might not come across right. The reason I queried about being a joke wasn't cos I'd previously answered it but the question of "tell me what's at the end but don't spoil it" seemed somewhat contradictory. Though you did clarify with what upcoming film. Though yeah, the finale of Captain America doesn't have Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver suddenly just pop up with zilch development and save the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 (edited) Sooo, Captain America 2... Reveal hidden contents Seems like Hydra is a very important part of the MCU, and I only just remembered there was talk of Baron Strucker being in Avengers 2, so that ties it all in together with the Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch stuff. Nice to see how they've woven in some elements of the bigger Marvel universe, not just with Falcon, Batroc, Pierce and a brief mention of 'Stephen Strange' but also with Sharon Carter appearing too (knew it would be her!). I do wonder what relation to Peggy they'll go with though; assuming that they do. Probably the niece thing, even if she seems a bit young... I suppose great niece would still work (still kinda creepy though, right?) And some searching explains the significance of the particularly evil SHIELDRA henchman turned Mr. 'Burns'. He will become Crossbones. Post-credits scene of Bucky looking at the bit about him in the Captain America exhibit was a waste of time since you could already figure out what was going on from what was in the actual film... ...ummm, what's going to be happening with Agents of SHIELD now? Will it become Hydra Hunters (perhaps Head Hunters!)? And since I've recently caught all the released MCU films, except Incredible Hulk, I can do my order now, yaaaay. 1. The Avengers 2. Thor 2 3. Captain America 2 4. Iron Man 5. Thor 6. Iron Man 3 7. Captain America 8. Iron Man 2 Edited March 29, 2014 by Hot Heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 Iron Man 2 at the bottom of the list, exactly where it belongs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 Your ranking is stupid, the correct order is: The Avengers Iron Man Captain America Thor 2 Thor Iron Man 3 Iron Man 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 Reveal hidden contents Yeah the TV show is going to go a bit weird. How they going to approach it without spoiling Captain America 2 will be interesting to see (if I still watched the show). I like how it filled in a bit of the "why isn't Shield swooping in to the save the day" for Iron Man 3 some folks had issues with. Cos Hydra wanted the president dead. The Stephen Strange name drop was nice. Oh and for Crossbones, right from the start despite him being on their side I had a niggle in the back of my mind about not liking him. Bit of an IMDB search on way home (cos housemate was annoyed with why she recognised him too) and turns out he's the turncoat lawyer in Prison Break. Typecasting! Also if that's Ethan's ordering I'd strongly recommend he watch Captain America 2 if he has the original so high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 I'm gonna go see it next weekend when it's out here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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