Marvel Cinematic Universe

[deanb]

@TheMightyEthan

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I think the Mjolnir thing is sort of put on it by Odin, Stormbreaker never had any kind of purposeful limits put on it. It's also possible he's just strong enough to use it regardless. I believe Hulk in the comics has had Mjolnir through pure strength.

 

When Thanos first uses the gauntlet in IW he totally fucks up his arm. It's not like super clear and doesn't hang on it too long but his arm is proper burnt n fucked up when he pops into the portal.

(I'll be honest I'm not totally sure on how he survives the axe embedded in chest thing)

 

As for the "time mess up". Assuming Cap goes back when he puts the stones back then he's in the 70s where they get the Tesseract from. Though age difference might be a thing, but not hugely. At this point in time Cap has been in the 'future' nearly 15 years.

 

[toxicitizen]

Saw Endgame last night. Such a massive movie is gonna need at least one rewatch to fully sink in but overall I was really happy with it. I think Infinity War was the better movie but Endgame was the best payoff imaginable for the past 10 years worth of build up. So many great little moments throughout and then the climax was just fucking bonkers in the best way. Especially that one moment that everyone pretty much knew was gonna happen but it was still insanely satisfying and fun to see.

 

All I can think now is where the fuck do they go from here? The next Avengers is gonna feel weirdly small because I can't imagine they're gonna top Thanos right away, they have to build up to something else. I'm admittedly not super well-versed in the comics but the one villain I can think of is Galactus and apparently the 5 years plan for phase 4 doesn't include anything from the Fox deal, so I guess he's out. They've shown they can quickly adapt and change plans to great result, though, so I wouldn't necessarily rule it out entirely.

[TheMightyEthan]

@deanb I assumed he used one of the stones to fix his chest after he went through the portal. I do see what you're saying about his arm though, I'd never noticed that.

 

@FLD My understanding is Phase 4 is basically a soft reboot, so yeah they're gonna be rebuilding with something new, not trying to top this.

[CorgiShinobi]

So yeah, I'll contribute a bit more.

 

 

I too loved the callback to the Winter Soldier elevator fight, all for it to be resolved with a whispered "Hail Hydra."

I surmised that Thanos healed his wound, but his arm was still messed up. He then used the Infinity Stones to destroy them and it messed him up royally.

Stormbreaker doesn't have any enchantment on it, so anyone could pick it up. However, Thor can call out to it so he's like the default owner.

The Captain America time travel stuff is still troublesome. If he decided to stay at a specific time after he returned the stones and hammer, he'd be making a different timeline. If we're to believe we're in a timeline that had the same events play out before, it would be a paradox. The time travel is a result of Thanos's success and our success in reverting it. Dr. Strange says it's the 1 of 14,000,605 where it works. Where's the origin point that creates this chain of events to allow two of Steve Roger to exist? Is it possible that the act of returning the Infinity Stones allows for the timeline to nearly duplicate the same events? (Minus the one with Loki and the Tesseract.)

 

Edited April 29, 2019 by Atomsk88
Weird triple spacing between paragraphs...

[toxicitizen]

@TheMightyEthan Yeah, I expect secondary characters like Black Panther, Doctor Strange and Captain Marvel to start taking the spotlight going forward. I'm just curious what big thing other than Galactus they could start building towards. I mean, it'll take years to get back to this level but I imagine it has to happen eventually.

[Mister Jack]

I'm placing my bet on Dormammu. Maybe Shuma Gorath or something. 

[deanb]

It was pointed out that Zemo is still around and could form the Masters of Evil. There's a few former bad guys still alive despite the MCU penchant for killing off their baddies.

 

Don't need a galaxy spanning threat. Though if you do there's still Supreme Intelligence kicking about. And the likes of Annihulus can be brought in; negative zone is easy enough explanation to bring in now "quantum realm" is firmly put in the MCU (which has the microverse which I think might be a thing soonish). And defo if they bring in FF. And bear in mind this is the end of Phase 3. Could build up until Phase 6 easy.

 

Also not like the comics had Infinity Gauntlet and went "well I guess that's that then".

 

[deanb]

So just came from my second viewing. Was delightful, especially sat next to a recent convert (he'd fallen in the camp of DC being good cos Nolan stuff and MCU was popular hogwash. That changed about a year or so ago. I think got him to watch Ragnarok). So I knew most of the beats, and loved his gasps and whispered guesses as they were coming up.

 

Anywho had a thought, one I'd had last time but forgotten

Not huge to the film but figured that might have made a tad more sense to bring Etri back to help with the new gauntlet rather than just Tony being able to make it. Would have given more purpose to Etri being around and Thors remark to him being good for his engineering mind than his hands. Also I'm probably naming him totally wrong; Tyrion Space Dwarf.

 

Also I kinda liked that while it started very Iron Man-esque how even before it'd been properly used and was just being worn/power flowing through hulk it was starting to look a bit like the original as the red flecked away and it crisped up a bit.

 

Also this time I did actually notice the ravagers popping up, but it is only very slightly compared to the Wakanda army and sorcerers. Kind of felt that maybe might as well not have been there (and kinda weird of all the space armies the ravagers are the only ones and not like Nova Corp or literally any other alien group. I did have a thought that for less advanced cultures there's literally going to be a time in their mythos that half of the tribe turned to dust then 5 years later came back. I get not wanting to undo stuff totally but as Pepper says the time stuff is "amazing...but terrifying". The implications for what Thanos has done are mind boggling. And tbh I feel for the most part it'll be largely glossed over cos otherwise they have to spent like all of Phase 4 as dealing with the aftermath which could get boring (though you've got the mystical front in Dr Strange 2 and how there's no time stone, the affects of space stuff in Asgardians of the Galaxy/Captain Marvel 2, and whoever they decide to do on earth.

 

And I'm bummed they literally had a viking-ish god and an archer and no viking funeral for Tony.

 

 

[Mister Jack]

The Russo brothers explain that thing everyone is confused about with the ending.

[TheMightyEthan]

I just realised something:

 

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We've all been thinking way too small with the timeline fuckery. Sure Loki got the tesseract, and Nebula killed her past self, and Cap went back to Peggy, blah blah blah, but we're overlooking that they fucking dusted past Thanos and his ENTIRE ARMY. After that, why are they even bothering trying to fix the timelines by returning the stones? That's going to majorly fuck the timeline no matter what.

 

[CorgiShinobi]

I think the idea is that...

 

 

The trouble, or really the crux of the plan, was bringing current Nebula to the past.

Depending on how Steve Rogers fixed the timeline at that point, then the events of Guardians of the Galaxy could unfold nearly the same. Admittedly it's goofy however because her whole presence is an issue. I'm not sure if he was allowed to talk to Nebula and Rhodey, but it could be something like he directly gives them his Power Stone so Starlord doesn't get knocked out.

 

Edited May 3, 2019 by Atomsk88
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[deanb]

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I think the idea is everything we've seen in the previous MCU films is "as-is" and unchanged. The whole "our actions in the past are actually our future" thing.

 

Thanos' 2014 army being obliterated is only from our guys perspectives, but from Thanos' perspective he went through 2014 as normal eventually got the stones, snapped his finger then got decapitated. Then continuing from "decimation Thanos" future timeline (aka Endgame) the heroes go back and bring the stones (and 2014 Thanos) with them then decimate 2014 Thanos. 2014 Thanos' journey is not much different to Warmachine and Nebula(s) who go from 2014 to 2024(?).

 

Ya know...jeremy bearimy.

 

I feel maybe they should have done more than just have Ancient One with the singular stream and black stream that just gets "pruned" when the stones are returned.

 

The big fuck up is Thanos reduced the stones to atoms, regardless of any time fuckery, and as per the Ancient Ones stuff that'll fuck with things. Unless it's like "they're dust but still kind of 'there'. Soul stone n Reality stone both had non-stoney forms much of their time.

 

[deanb]

 

Off from Endgame a bit. This is a really damn good scene, even outside of MCU-ness. Now the trick is, do you know the scene before clicking play.

[TheMightyEthan]

But

 

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they didn't restore Thanos, they only returned the stones. I get that it doesn't affect their timeline (your future can't affect your past as Hulk said), but the whole point of returning the stones was to prevent the timelines from splitting, but the timelines are split anyway because of 2014 Thanos vanishing.

 

[Mister Jack]

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Is anybody really going to complain that Thanos and his entire army suddenly went missing from the timeline?

 

[CorgiShinobi]

So here's how I see it.

 

 

From easiest to hardest:

 

• Cap returns the Time Stone very easily. Ancient One is waiting for it and she places it back in the Eye of Agamotto.
• Soul Stone shouldn't be difficult, but I'm not sure how you'd necessarily return it. Like, hand it back to Red Skull and it goes back somehow?
• It might confuse the guards, but Cap would return the Reality Stone to Thor's mother and she could, well, put it back in Jane.
• Mind Stone is slight odd because it seems like Scott Lang took the whole scepter, but Cap only has the Mind Stone. Otherwise, he'd return the scepter to Shield.
• Now, the Space Stone (Tesseract) is tricky. He'd have to sneak back into the Shield facility within a reasonable time because the facility is on alert. Might be he gets there a little earlier and when Tony takes the Tesseract and leaves with his father, Cap places... Oh, it's not in its square form. Also, while he's in New York 2012, he'd have to make sure Loki doesn't reach for the Tesseract. That I think is doable as he would just act like 2012 Cap and Endgame Tony and Scott wouldn't know. Though it's funny to think at some point in time there would be 3 Caps.
• Like I said before, the event with the Power Stone is a pivotal moment of Endgame. When I saw the film again, I was confused why Nebula would hesitate so much. I've already suggested that Cap give the Power Stone to Endgame Nebula and Rhodey so they don't have to knockout Quill. This brings up something else however...

Nebula is trying to warn Clint and Nat, but unless Gamora or Thanos digs deeper into Nebula's mind, Thanos won't be heading to Vormir anytime soon. By then, Clint would have had the Soul Stone and have left. Also, are Endgame Nebula's memories only accessible when she's in that time period? If she leaves, then no one else is on Nebula's "network."
 

Edited May 4, 2019 by Atomsk88

[Mr. GOH!]

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Thanos-less timeline is messed up, not the main MCU timeline. 

 

New Big Bad might be Kang the Conqueror, though maybe Marvel won't want to lean too heavily on more time travel fuckery.

 

[TheMightyEthan]

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I get that no one's going to complain, and that it's a separate timeline that's messed up, not the main one. All I'm saying is that the whole point of returning the stones was to avoid branching the timeline at all, but that plan went out the window when Thanos got dusted (or really when Thanos realized something was going on). So returning the stones may have limited the amount of difference between the branches to some extent, but they've still branched rather dramatically.

 

I'm just saying, the Ancient One's whole point was that any alteration, no matter how well intentioned, is bad, which is why they had to return the stones, but that ship has already sailed.

 

[deanb]

 

So this answers a lot of folks questions and theories.

Also how the fuck have they made fishbowl head look kinda cool?

 

edit: remembered that today is the "official" spoiler-end as per the directors and that kinda lines up well with this trailer releasing today.

[CorgiShinobi]

Huh, I guess this could mean a few things.

Villains from other dimensions?! Also, this could be how we get X-Men and Fantastic Four into the MCU.

 

Granted, Fury says the snap, but there were at least two big snaps that affected the whole universe. Tony's snap was on a much smaller scale since he only "removed" Thanos's army. The first snap to erase half of all life and the snap to reverse the first one. Heck, the snap to destroy the Infinity Stones themselves must have had cosmic space-time consequences. But whatever, we've got a good excuse for more craziness.

[Mr. GOH!]

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Mysterio is lying and the Fury and Hill Peter sees in Europe are either illusory or the Spidey villain Chameleon. 

 

Maybe there's a multiverse and Mysterio is from a world in which he was a villain. 

 

[TheMightyEthan]

Okay, I'm fuckin stoked.

 

[deanb]

I think there's several options

- There really is multiverses, Shield can detect that he's "resonating at different frequencies" etc. And he really is at face value a hero from that universe. Which opens the possibility of introducing other "cross universe" things. Maybe some fantastic people, or some x people, or n-zones n what not.

- There's really a multiverse, he's pretending to be a hero but will turn on them.

- There's no multiverse, he's really a hero (though why'd would lie)

- There's no multiverse, he's duping them on everything.

 

I'm sure Homecoming is spoiler-free at this point so safe to point out that Vulture in the comics is a cooky old guy and here he's an alien-scrap thief. They've also switch the Skrulls up as well. They've changed enough that really the comics can only give us a rough guide on what to expect and that's pretty much just powers and abilities. Back stories and affiliations are all new to the MCU.

[MetalCaveman]

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What if he's a hero from his universe, but there's an evil Mysterio in Spider-Man's universe, and they have to deal with having two of them without knowing who they can trust.

 

Or, he's a hero from his universe that has to fuck shit up in other places in order to save his own.

 

Also, do you guys think Peter could turn into the next Iron Man (kinda?), maybe that'd be a cool way to introduce Miles, have Peter become some kinda Iron Man successor and the Miles takes the mantle of Spider-Man.  

 

[TheMightyEthan]

I'm down with all of the above.