TheMightyEthan Posted July 10, 2017 Report Share Posted July 10, 2017 "Maybe" Ant-Man? Ant-Man is the worst of those movies you listed (other than maybe Thor). Anyway, I came in here to say that imo Spider-Man is easily the best MCU movie since Winter Soldier (Edit: which looking at my rankings I guess that makes it the best debut). New ranking: -S Rank- Avengers Captain America: Winter Soldier Spider-Man: Homecoming -A Rank- Captain America Captain America: Civil War Guardians of the Galaxy Thor: Dark World -B Rank- Avengers: Age of Ultron Doctor Strange Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 Iron Man -C Rank- Ant-Man Iron Man 2 Iron Man 3 Thor -D Rank- Incredible Hulk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted July 10, 2017 Report Share Posted July 10, 2017 18 hours ago, Cowboy Danger Poet said: My understanding is the MCU launched in 2008 with Iron Man. Iron Man 2 / (the end of) Captain America / Thor all took place around the same time (remember Coulson leaves Iron Man 2 to go to the Thor movie), so that could put Avengers in 2009/2010 or so. That's how I figure "they" must be viewing it, although I don't think it matches with various instances of dialogue across the films. In Civil War, there's mention that the Avengers have been together 4 years... but that might just be the Russos viewing it as the films taking place when they are released, i.e. that's their approach rather than a general one. There's evidence of another director-led inconsistency from Gunn where Stan Lee in GotG2 makes reference to being a FedEx employee even though GotG2 is a few months after GotG1 and, therefore, before Civil War. I guess it's not major but it seems weird to mess up something like that. As for my updated rankings... 1. The Avengers 2. Captain America: The Winter Soldier 3. Captain America: Civil War 4. Avengers: Age of Ultron 5. Guardians of the Galaxy 6. Spider-Man: Homecoming 7. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 8. Iron Man 9. Thor: The Dark World 10. Doctor Strange 11. Thor 12. Iron Man 3 13. Captain America: The First Avenger 14. Ant-Man 15. Iron Man 2 Some of those lower down probably need a rewatch though, I think. Plus, the top ones are generally all equal but I shall resist this alphabetical ranks system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 So timeline wise, Happy also mentions he's been holding onto Tonys engagement ring since 2009. Though tbh I can't remember that cropping up in previous films so it's not a great reference of time, but they didn't start their relationship proper until Iron Man 2 (released 2010, but assumedly not 2-in-universe years after Iron Man, wiki says 6 months which makes sense for the senate hearing n planning of Stark Expo n such). 2008 - Iron Man 2009 - Hulk/Thor/Iron Man 2/Captain America:FA ("Furys Big Week") 2010 - 2011 - 2012 - 2013 - 2014 - GotG/GotG2 2015 - 2016 - Civil War/Homecoming 2017 - 2018 - Infinity War Yeah I have no idea how to fill the rest of this in. AFAIK there's no set year for Avengers, but 8 years before Homecoming does put it in 2008, which would mean Avengers happened the same time Iron Man came up with the suit. But Civil War is in 2016 (and by extension so is Homecoming, unless I guess we assume Civil War was in summer holidays and Homecoming runs the school year into June 2017). GotG run also one of the few with a specific year but they have zilch relation with the others, though presumably given Collectors museum is not yet destroyed the Thor 2 post-credits is set prior to GotG (but no idea by how much). GotG2 has the reference to Civil War so we could assume Civil War was prior to 2014 but it's set 2016. Doctor Strange is all kinds of horrible cos it has awards in shot with years on them, but potentially also references events of Civil War (prior to the crash it mentions spinal injury in experimental armour). I thought AoU referenced Avengers but only in direction ("200ft above us") but not in years/months since. I think it's safe to say that as far as the timeline goes: Oh as a bit of an aside: Sakovian Accords are being taught in school despite the fact there's only a 2 month difference(ish) from Civil War to Homecoming. They've had enough time to introduce that into their...history(?) lessons but not remove Captain America from their gym program. Also Tony is actively harbouring and equipping and training a technical fugitive given Avengers meant to be complying with the Sakovian Accords but I guess 10-tonner kids don't count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 I assumed the spine-broken-in-experimental-armor thing was a reference to that dude in Hammer's test suit that we see for a second in the Senate scene in Iron Man 2, where he turns too far and it breaks his spine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 I'd been in that camp too but the majority suggest it's Rhodes due to timing, but timing is seemingly a very flexible thing so who knows it could have been that dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 Maybe the Dark Tower movie is actually in the MCU, and this is an example of time getting "soft". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 I would kinda like the idea of issues with the time gem/a ripple through reality from the effects of the infinity gauntlet (including Rhodes changing and no one noticing it). Discworld did similar, Thief of Time/Nightwatch time was kinda "shattered" and repaired as best as possible by the Time Monks which retroactively explains some discrepancies in earlier novels where events don't necessarily happen when they should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) My new ranking of the MCU films: Elite: Spider-Man: Homecoming Guardians of the Galaxy 1 Captain America: the First Avenger Good: The Avengers Iron Man Captain America: The Winter Soldier Okay (fun but deeply flawed): Guardians of the Galaxy 2 Doctor Strange Captain America: Civil War Ant-Man Bad: Iron Man 3 Thor: the Dark World Avengers: Age of Ultron Garbage: Thor Iron Man 2 Edited July 12, 2017 by Mr. GOH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 18 hours ago, Atomsk88 said: My main gripe though is, though this is a comic book movie, it's hard to believe that a once salvage company is capable of manufacturing alien-hybrid weaponry and operating underground for 8 years. Given their tinkerer was able to get his flying thing up and running pretty early on I suspect he wasn't wholly/solely a salvaging guy. I'd guess they were already in the business of reselling on the more valuable salvage so would have the channels to start shifting more lucrative things than ex-office stock. As for being under the radar; they were only taking like a duffel bag at a time, I doubt it was all itemised so Damage Control wouldn't have picked up on stuff and most part it was "low level" crime so yeah wouldn't have taken the interest of The Avengers. Keep in mind that part of this it's post-Winter Soldier so no/minimal Shield and also if we assume the Netflix n AoS stuff is MCU canon then there's plenty other low-level supers kicking about that we can guess it doesn't raise any major flags of "this crime looks a bit weird, I should report this to much higher up". As for Spider-sense; I'm a bit bummed that it didn't seem to be one of his powers since it kinda rules out Mysterio who I'd like to see as a villain pop up (since he's not much of a "moohahah, end the world" but is a particular pain to Spider-man in fucking with spidey-sense). However description of the Infinity War trailer implies it does show off his spidey-sense, so who knows. Maybe it's one of those "as he grows so does his powers" kind of dealy-os. Incidentally it's comic-con atm so we might get to see that Infinity War trailer in the wild soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 If the engineer/tinkerer was so skilled, I wish there could have been some exposition on it. Like he's had higher education, but didn't like his prior employer's environment. Ergo, he joined the salvage company to work with all the raw material or something. I agree on how they got away from stealing since instead of a whole truck the intent was to get the desired items and get out. Much like a mouse stealing crumbs, but instead this mouse is making gravity guns. I'm more so amazed they could maintain their business without a single slip-up. It wasn't until 8 years later that Shocker 1 ultimately screwed the pooch for the whole operation. But they all started after the first Avengers film which means they'd have to be very careful. I didn't keep up with AoS, but Shield and the Avengers were pretty active after New York. Really, what I think I'm driving at is how little there was for itemization and other balances that would allow for a continual leeching of alien tech after an alien invasion. I mean, if a single duffel bag goes unnoticed, what's to say the actual workers couldn't have been leaving bits here and there for themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 In other news, The Inhumans TV show still looks fucking awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Lockjaw is cute AF. 12/10 would scratch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 I'd be happy with a Lockjaw-only show. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 "Hulk like raging fire, Thor like smouldering fire" Pretty sure we saw Waititi's cameo in this trailer. Oh and Surtur is voiced by Clancy Brown (you should be able to work out who Surtur is from the trailer ) Also a decent poster: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 Finally got around to watching Doctor Strange a couple nights ago. Really enjoyed it. I kinda didn't expect a movie about a B-tier character to make me go "That guy is fucking cool!" Between this and how fucking badass Black Panther was in Civil War, I'm getting more optimistic about the future of the MCU and Avengers line-up for when the bigger names start leaving or being too expensive and they lose characters like Iron Man and Caps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 Iron Man was b-tier (also that article is a great lens into the super-hero world that was, with talks of excitement for Rise of Silver Surfer, chat of Edgar Wrights Ant-man and some hopes around Ghostrider). Spider-Man, Fantastic Four and X-men were their heavy hitters, that's why those got licensed out decades ago and Marvel had Iron Man and Thor to work with. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 C-tier for Doctor Strange, then? I know Iron Man wasn't huge even in the comics before the first movie but I feel like people would still have at least recognized the name if nothing else. I could be wrong but I can't imagine the same being true for Doctor Strange or Black Panther. I probably have more comics knowledge than the average person (especially 10 years ago) but I'm still a casual fan at best. I've barely read anything that doesn't say "Batman" on the cover and this was my reaction when they first announced Guardians of the Galaxy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 FWIW: As a kid I was much more familiar with Doctor Strange than I was with Iron Man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Really? It was the opposite for me. I've been at least vaguely aware of who Iron Man was for the longest time but I never heard of Doctor Strange until I developed an interest in comics and started reading up on Marvel, DC and whatnot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 (edited) I think Doctor Strange appeared on the Spider-Man 90s cartoon. I don't think Iron Man did though. I also had a Doctor Strange action figure which I think was based off the Spidey cartoon. The bulk of my adolescent Marvel knowledge comes from the Spider-Man and X-Men cartoons. Edited July 24, 2017 by The Cowboy Poet in English Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalCaveman Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 I'm pretty sure I know Doctor Strange from the Spider-Man cartoon, I was more familiar with him than with many other characters in the MCU. Though I'm not a big fan of comics, so most of what I know comes from 90's cartoons, maybe he's less popular in the comic world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hot Heart Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 On the home release, yay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 It seems The Defenders is getting a mixed reaction, mainly from the usual "weak villain" aspect but also with Iron Fist being in it which can't be helped I guess. (It's on my list to watch but not immediate) Anywho Punisher teaser: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Defenders has been okay so far. Iron Fist works slightly better as the naive part of the team while Jessica is the sort of audience surrogate. Not that he doesn't still suck. Best scene was early on when Luke is ripping Danny over his privilege. There was some actual character conflict in the team besides, "this is too weird/stupid and I don't know you so, no, I won't fight alongside you." I get the sense it's going a bit Winter Soldier with Matt trying to get through to Elektra while Stick (and some others?) want her dead (and need him focused) but it adds a bit of tension at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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