Mr. GOH! Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) Fair enough. I put it in this thread because I consider the Ninty stuff to be documenting how the Wii U is losing the console wars hard. edit: Nintendo has much more cash on hand than Sony, at least compared to its overall exposure to risk, IIRC. That pumps up its valuation a ton, since it's literally money in the bank. That article is before the January 16th announcement from Nintendo lowering sales estimates across the board , though, so I think we'll see lower valuations of Nintendo soon to take its floundering into account. Edited January 23, 2014 by Mr. GOH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingGerbil Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 yep, I'm sure I read a few days ago their stock plunged 17% after the announcements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) Didn't see the date on your post. My mistake! Edit: I'm surprised that MS made the Xbone such that it would not run games as well as the PS4. I guess they're counting on its non-game features to keep sales steady in the long term. Edited January 23, 2014 by Mr. GOH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Well short of them being literally identical one console is always going to be more powerful than the other(s). Gen 7 it was the PS3 (though due to the architecture it took a long time for that to have any practical benefits), Gen 6 it was the Xbox, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Absolutely. I'm just surprised that MS gave up "most powerful" title to the cheaper PS4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Since you mentioned the oddly weak XOne... I wonder how true the rumor of Microsoft wanting to ditch the console sense is. I don't think it holds water but who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 I thought it was well-known that there are factions at MS that think the console business is a money pit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Yeah, it used to be part of "Entertainment and Devices" division, which was mainly kept around for Bing and Windows Phone. Since Ballmer's reshuffle of MS last year those are now in different divisions and Xbox is pretty much it's own section, quite ready for the new CEO to decide if they want to jettison Xbox as it's own company or keep it in house despite the money and logistics drain that provides fuck all for Microsoft as a whole. It's the only MS division that has intense competition due to stepping into a market with intention competition. From an MS perspective it's pretty much just a front for Bing (advertising, search and proto-assistant), and that can go through Nokia when they complete the merger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 I thought it was the opposite, that it used to be in its own division and they recently merged it into Entertainment and Devices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Ballmer rejigged it. Xbox is now part of "Devices and Studios". It put everything from Xbox One through to Xbox Music in one neat package separate from their OS, Office and cloud packages. http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/press/2013/jul13/07-11onemicrosoft.aspx Xbox One has been quite good for their revenue this financial year, but I'm not sure for Microsoft something being profitable is enough reason for them to keep something around if it's so separate from how they usually work. Xbox was meant to put Microsoft in the living room, and over a decade in and it hasn't really managed that. They just ended up being completely blindsided by tablets in the living room space. Sony got their consoles working for them because they didn't do OSes and Productivity software, but music and movies. CD, DVD, and Blu-Ray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Thief is doing that thing where the PS4 is 1080p and the Xbox One isn't. What makes it a bit worse is this is a 7th gen game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) Not only that, but Metal Gear Solid supposedly runs at 1080p and 60 FPS on the PS4 but only 720p and 30 FPS on the Xbone. Edited February 17, 2014 by Mister Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Maybe it actually is just an Xbox 1? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Its 720p and 60 fps on the Xbone. 30 fps on the 360. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted February 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 What makes it a bit worse is this is a 7th gen game. You mean like Call of Duty Ghosts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 I really hope people stop talking about the power difference eventually. Its going to get tiring for everyone, not just Xbox One owners. Plus, I really dont think people who bought Xbox One care about this sort of thing. I think everyone else cares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted February 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 I doubt anywhere near all of them care, but I'm sure there's a good number who do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 The people who own an Xbox One at this point probably don't care, what should be concerning for Microsoft, is the people currently on the fence about buying an X1, those are the people who would care about spending 100 dollars more for worse looking games. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingGerbil Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 How's this for a dystopian image of the future? Someone in the company may be happy that the consoles are providing a presence for the company in your living room, but at some point investors arre going to want to see some hard cash out of it. You do have to wonder how long these big companies will continue to plough money into areas that aren't providing a good return, they certainly won't continue out of any sort of sentiment toward the gamers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted February 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 I've always read that Xbox makes MS money, and that "source" for the $2 billion per year losses is just some analyst saying "Based on absolutely nothing, we believe this to be the case." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) So essentially the console wars can be defined as:Gryffindor = PlayStation Hufflepuff = Nintendo Ravenclaw = PC gaming / Steam Slytherin = Xbox Pretty dead on if you ask me. Slythern even uses the colour green. Edited March 4, 2014 by The Cowboy Poet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) 6 million PS4s sold. Congrats, Sony. Edit: http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/03/03/ps4-hits-6-million-ushers-in-new-era-of-social-gameplay Edited March 5, 2014 by Mr. GOH! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted March 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Well apparently part of Xbone's graphics problem is the amount of GPU time reserved for the OS and Kinect. From a Digital Foundry interview about Titanfall: It's known that Microsoft is attempting to free up precious graphics resources. Last year, the Xbox One architects told us that the GPU "time-slice" - the amount of processing time reserved by the operating system for elements like Kinect - would be made available to game developers. Respawn confirms that this hasn't happened yet. "They were talking about having it available for launch and I think there were some issues for how it was going to work," Baker tells us. "It's not available for launch but we're definitely going to take advantage of that if they give that as an option. And the plan that is they will make that an option, so when it's visible we'll enable it for our game and we should be able to crank up resolution proportionally." So not only is Kinect a lame baby toy that you don't need, that makes the box $100 cheaper, but it's actually negatively impacting the core games that people actually want to play. Maybe now that Mattrick is gone MS can start backing off Kinect, since my understanding is it was really his baby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 http://www.geek.com/games/ps4-ships-7-million-worldwide-outsells-xbox-one-in-europe-71-1589841/ PS4 approaches 2:1 sales over Xbox One, with a 7:1 gap in Europe. As it notes though Titanfall did just recently hit, which could sway it a bit in Xbones favour a little bit (though PS4 also had Second Son, so who knows) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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