toxicitizen Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) You took my comment and replied separately to parts that were intended to be together... The "not believing this is their plan" part was specifically about running the service at a loss. Of course this is a big deal for them regardless. What I was saying is running it at a loss would turn it into so much more than that. At a very low price point, it's more than just consumer good will, it's one hell of a killer app/system seller. Hell, it doesn't even have to be at a loss necessarily. They could price it just so they break even. Edited January 8, 2014 by FLD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 I've now just realised there's like a whole other page to this thread. Anywho I wasn't replying to just you or I'd use quotes and not replying to the half a dozen or so replies between my last comment yesterday and my catch-up today. And it isn't a system seller, that's why it can't be sold at a loss. A loss leader is intended to sell something else. Such as a loss on a PS4 console to sell the games that come at a profit. Playstation Now isn't tied to anything that would make a profit on top, it's the service itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 Yeah, it's not a system seller because you can do it on PS3. Or your phone. Or your fucking TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) True but, honestly, I wouldn't want to play this thing on a phone. These will be console games meant to be played with a controller. And I could be mistaken but I think it'll only be on Bravia TVs, which is a Sony brand. So it sounds to me like you need some form of Sony hardware to get the most out of this. Maybe system seller was the wrong way to put it. I meant more like a strong incentive to choose Sony over the competition. edit: and now that I think of it, Sony's in the phone market as well, no? Have they said whether it'll be available on any kind of phone or specific brands? If they haven't, then I wouldn't be surprised if again it was only on Sony phones. Edited January 8, 2014 by FLD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted January 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 I haven't read anything about phones or tablets yet, but yeah, it's a safe bet it could be Sony phones. However, for TV it sounds like it's going to come to Sony Bravias first and then later be available for other TVs. At least, that was the impression I got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 From the PS Blog post Cowboy quoted in his first post: Eventually the service will expand beyond PlayStation platforms and Sony devices, allowing you to stream PlayStation games across a broad range of Internet-connected devices Lest we forget that this and it's siblings and cousins Are all internet connected devices. (Incidentally many PS1 games aren't built for the later analog controller so play fine enough on touch screens. At least the Playstation 1 games worth playing). Sony Ericsson market share isn't that great (neither are their current phones) so putting in the effort to make an Xperia-only app would be a bit pointless on that front since you'd limit the audience to your multi-million dollar investment. The Xperia Play has shown that exclusive Playstation games aren't enough to push a system. Also I was under the impression the market for SmartTVs is much higher in the US too than UK as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) Is the first one the nVidia Shield? And the second one looks like a phone peripheral kinda thing? Those would work but they look like they'd be a pain to constantly carry around with you. The Vita would be a much better platform for that, I think. Anyway, like I initially said, I don't honestly believe they would go down that road. I was just trying to say that it wouldn't necessarily be a terrible approach for them to use the service as a selling point for their hardware. I fully expect them to monetize it for all its worth. Edited January 9, 2014 by FLD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Sony said today that for every platform other than PS4 and Vita you'll have to use a DS3 to play the games. On PS4 you can use the DS4 and on Vita you can use its controls, but TVs and phones and everything will require a DS3, no touch or other controllers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted January 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 That's silly it's not DS3 and DS4... especially considering they said they're thinking of putting PS4 games on PS Now.... which will probably happen in a few years once there's a healthy catalog of older PS4 games that aren't selling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 hmmmm. Add Persona 5 to the list and you've got yourself a subscriber Sony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Yeah the first is the Nvidia Shield and the second is a Moga, there's a few things like it on the market. And they'd be no bigger than putting a Vita in your bag. The DS3 requirement is pretty stupid. For one they're bigger and less portable than specialised phone controllers and for two that really limits the amount of platforms it'll work on from their initial "internet connected devices" since it now becomes "internet connected devices with bluetooth units that are compatible with DS3, oh and drivers too which we've never actually supplied". Of course there's always the entirely free emulators with zero requirements for a singular specific model of controller. Which I stupidly assumed they might be taking aim against but I guess not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted January 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Man, the Nvidia Shield is uuuuggggly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Yeah the first is the Nvidia Shield and the second is a Moga, there's a few things like it on the market. And they'd be no bigger than putting a Vita in your bag. I don't know, the Vita is pretty flat and has its own buttons and sticks. Carrying an actual extra controller around for a touch device isn't something I'd personally be inclined to do. Shit, I don't even carry a wireless mouse for my laptop. hmmmm. Add Persona 5 to the list and you've got yourself a subscriber Sony. I wouldn't expect new releases like that, tbh. At least not as part of a streaming subscription. It wouldn't make financial sense. Why pay 60$ when you can just sub for a month and play the entire thing? The only way this would work would be individual purchases like Onlive did. And we all know how well that went for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Even if they did do Persona 5 (they won't), shit, I want to OWN it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 There are slimline options (and that's just the Moga, as mentioned there's other devices like it). I can't imagine them taking up any more room than having a laptop charger or other handheld in your bag. Of course it's all a bit moot since the DS3 is your only option now and they have a noticeable absence of phone holder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TCP Posted January 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Supposedly a leaked roadmap by Sony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Wait, why do we get the launch last? Gaikai already works here. The population density and availability of high speed internet also makes it much more practical and ideal for streaming purposes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted January 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 I can understand wanting to launch in one place and then roll it out to others to avoid GTA:Online-ing the thing. Clearly NA is their biggest priority, but it's weird EU wouldn't go second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 I think it's weird EU isn't first, for the reasons dean mentioned. Game streaming is hard in NA cause everything's so damn spread out that you can't help but have latency issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronixal Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Probably cos SCEE needs a good year to realise what the fuck they're doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=784269 Looks like 1 day and 7 day digital rentals will be a thing soon. I would absolutely love this because I have no desire to pay 16 bucks a month for a gamefly account. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 Anyone get an email about it today? I got mine. They should be sending me a voucher...soon. The email made it sound like the beta is PS3 only, which sucks. I really wanted to see this on PS4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 Anyone get an email about it today? I got mine. They should be sending me a voucher...soon. The email made it sound like the beta is PS3 only, which sucks. I really wanted to see this on PS4. I don't see how it makes a difference. One of the big points about streaming is that it's the same no matter the device. You could stream something at the PS4 level to a PS3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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