SomTervo Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) Goddamnit the combat in this game is amazing. So, so amazing. Utterly fixed the entire series from that standpoint. It's really close to a Prince of Persia style system - all knife-edge parries and high-pressure situations. Like, in AC1-Rogue, if you got surrounded by 30 enemies, you could literally stand still and kill them all with ease, using two buttons. Just going through the motions. In Unity, more than 3 enemies and you're basically fucked, unless you've honed your reflexes through genuine practice and skill. Or have really expensive equipment. Higher level enemies attack quicker, too, so you get (literally) a split-second to hit O/B and parry them. Blink and you will genuinely miss it and be treated to a brutal animation of Arno's chest cavity being caved in with a blade. Mix in the fact that to buy upgrades (not equipment) you now need 'Creed points', and the system's even better. Like there's genuinely an incentive to play like a badass - quikshot here, a chain of perfect parries there, smoke bomb here, air assassination there, free running combo here... I really want to get this all-black colour scheme, and to unlock it I've got to get 10,000 Creed Points. This requires a good couple of hours' gametime playing as an utter badass. In Unity, (for people who don't have the game) there are three resources: - Money (Livres): buy equipment (clothes, weapons) and consumables. Unlocked through chests and missions. - Sync Points: upgrade Arno's skills (as you become more 'synchronised' with him in the Animus... clever). Unlocked through story missions. - Creed Points: let you upgrade equipment (improving it's % buffs eg quieter footsteps) and buy cosmetic upgrades. Unlocked through pulling off trick moves. Like a boss. So good. I think PAX is the main thing that is keeping them relevant, and the comic readership is just a side effect of that now. Good thinking. The turning animations have been massively altered, so that the character no longer steps realistically wherever you direct them and turns with realistic momentum, the character now just spins on the spot, no realistic footwork or sense of inertia. Hmm... I don't see this. The turning animation seems fine to me... It actually looks the same as the previous games... what's wrong exactly? I could be making this up. But it's very subtle, and I think legit. Spoiler tagged cos it's nitpicky/boring as fuck. Basically if you walked forwards in a straight line in AC Black Flag, then turned slightly to the left, Kenway wouldn't turn his whole body. His torso would stay forward, and his feet would make the turn, then his torso would turn to follow. Very minor but a lot more like how one would turn in real life. There was this slight, realistic body delay in how one turned in the old animation system. Basically the walking animation was a little more realistic. In Unity you walk forward and if you turn him slightly right he turns his whole body immediately, in a oner, to face right. It's more like he's walking on a moving dial, which just turns him on the spot. This is a super minor animation thing - I just think it's slightly less realistic than in the old system. You don't notice it in running as much, but it's also gone there. In ACIII/BF if you sprinted in a straight line and slalomed side to side, Kenway's torso would face straight ahead, but his legs would turn left and right. It was a beautifully brilliant piece of animation. In Unity this is gone and he just swings his whole body, head to toe, whatever direction he's pointing. Edited November 13, 2014 by kenshi_ryden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRevanchist Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 http://www.pcworld.com/article/2847341/ubisoft-pledges-fixes-for-assassins-creed-unitys-atrocious-performance-issues.html Well, it's not like we didn't hear how buggy it was going to be from the early reviews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomTervo Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) I'd love to keep the game but sometimes it's genuinely depressing how fucked up it gets. Naturally the more I play it the more I see issues... Think I'll trade it for GTAV on Saturday. Edit: Gah I'm trying to pick a lock but the framerate keeps jittering making me miss the pin. (The mechanic is a sliding bar which goes up and down and you have to press X/A at the right moment.) On the other side of the door is a room full of people, a gentrified party. FPS dropping as per, so it keeps skipping and I press X and fail- burning one of my limited reserve of lockpicks. Like the terrible optimization genuinely ruins the experience sometimes Edited November 13, 2014 by kenshi_ryden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Did you just do a 180 on Unity, Kenshi? I was about to chime in and say that I'm enjoying it and have not experienced any significant bugs except random NPCS on the street walking as if they were halfway submerged into the street, which was weird, but tolerable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomTervo Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) Not a 180, but a slow rotation: at about 90 degrees now. It pisses me off one minute then the next it's like a perfect blend between Thief, Hitman and Splinter Cell. Flashes of a masterpiece behind a flabberghastingly hideous face. I've had the NPCs floating/submerged thing. It's usually fine, except when the game's being really immersive then that happens. One time I was in a catacomb-style mausoleum doing this amazingly atmospheric assassination, sneaking about getting the right position- I nail the guy perfectly, slink away without being seen, it's super slow-paced and dramatic, then suddenly this woman in a huge fluffy dress comes flying out of the wall - underground - doing a sprinting animation, hovers through the staircase I'm creeping up, then vanishes through the other wall, never to be seen again. Weird as fuck. Edit: Frame rate is getting worse and worse the more I play - but my first day on was smoothest, and that was the day I decided to turn the internet off. I had heard this fixed it for some people. It was certainly smooth enough. Maybe I'll do that right now actually. Edited November 13, 2014 by kenshi_ryden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomTervo Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) Whoa nelly, okay, so I turned the internet off- instant solid 30fps, with drops to maybe 25. Like, I was getting around 20fps before I did this. Holy shit. Edit: GAF says this improves PC performance too, so maybe give that a try GOH. PS minor spoilers (the whole story is meaningless Ass Creed bullshit anyway) but the bug in this video is fucking hilarious Edited November 13, 2014 by kenshi_ryden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 I bought the game on your recommendation, kenshi, don't bail now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Uh, I have zero FPS problems. Thanks for the suggestion, though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Apparently most of the problem is due to AMD hardware. Let that sink in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomTervo Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 (edited) You'll love it, Ethan! ... Just play with the internet off. For a few weeks at least. I've been hearing only Nvidia is the sound way forward on PC. I imagine you're in that group, GOH? Edit: PS I tried out a co-op game, and it was fucking great. Really worked well, far better than I thought, and they've utterly nailed the GUI. You even see the other person's throw-arcs for smoke bombs and such. Really nice. Frame rate still a bit choppy and I got kicked out of my first co-op match. I think it'll be worth mainly saving this stuff for a few weeks/months down the line when they've patched Unity up to the nines. Singleplayer will do for me for a while. Also Ubi have pledged to patch all of the issues, from online dodginess to frame rate/stability. Edited November 14, 2014 by kenshi_ryden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Yeah, the Digital Foundry article I read they said they did the tests with the day one patch but that they were actually playing offline, and under those conditions the PS4 ran 25-30 most of the time, with rare dips to ~20, and the Xbone ran 28-30 most of the time, with rare dips to ~25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 My copy arrived yesterday. Man, I just want to punch Arno in the fucking face every time he speaks. Worst. Assassin. Ever. And the characters not even having French accents really makes the game feel like it takes place in 1700's Britain. And then you run out to the streets and hear the French voices and you start feeling like it's Paris until a guard yells at you "Oye, U, m8! Stop!". Just a weird decision that breaks the immersion. So if I want to play with the Edward, Connor, or Ezio robes, I have to unlock them with Assassins Creed Initiates? Except when I login to that, there's nothing to fucking do. And it doesn't even recognize that I've played Black Flag or any other the other Assassins Creed games that I played with the same uplay account. Fucking uplay, man. WHY IS THERE FOUR DIFFERENT FUCKING CURRENCIES?! Jesus. What the hell are "Creed Points"? Also why wouldn't you call them Creed Credits? That makes more sense. Then we have Livres, Sync Points, and Helix Credits. This is stupid game design. Paris itself looks pretty but holy fuck this game performs like shit. Absolute shit. You're telling me, you can't get your current-gen exclusive, that launches 12 months after the console launch, to look better than your cross-gen game from the year before?!?!?!!? Also last night I downward free-ran off a building, and then I fell through the ground. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Except when I login to that, there's nothing to fucking do. And it doesn't even recognize that I've played Black Flag or any other the other Assassins Creed games that I played with the same uplay account. Fucking uplay, man. I have that same problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Also can we talk about how lazy the real world stuff is? So, I, the player, am just playing a game, when these hakers come and its up to me to... I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT. Why even bother with the real world bullshit, Ubisoft? This is stupid. THIS GAME IS STUPID. I need to sit down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 According to Digital Foundry, their testing reveals no appreciable difference between online and offline, at least on PS4. But they also weren't experiencing sustained 20 fps like you were either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 I can see why people would like this new combat system, but... Fuck this combat system. I hate it. No more fun. Slow. And even slower loading times when you die. Arno must suck as an Assassin lore-wise that's why they had to make it harder, and slower. It's not even smooth like Sleeping Dogs or Arkham. Animations are goddamn slow and you're stuck in it most of the time, you get hit and you die. Fuck this combat system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 So has anyone actually gotten co-op to work? Everytime I try inviting someone it just goes to "Please wait..." screen forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Works on PC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madbassman39 Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Hold the phone... Microtransactions in the game? What do you buy with them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 I think you can buy Helix Credits which essentially let you "hack" the game. I believe there's also time saver microtransactions. So I finally got co-op to work last night. I really enjoyed it. It's not something I'd want to do with a stranger, but with my buddy from work (or you guys!) it worked really well. You can do free roam and have access to the entire city or do specific missions, which are well designed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Does Sony allow cross-play with the PC? Hahaha, of course not: Sony is anti-consumer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 trololololol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Does Sony allow cross-play with the PC? Hahaha, of course not: Sony is anti-consumer. Not on Asscreed, though I'd suspect that's an Ubisoft thing, but there's PlayStation games with crossplay with PC players, like Final Fantasy XIV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Portal 2 also comes to mind. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Ubi is also anti-consumer, I am afraid to say. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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