TCP Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 I wasn't aware sharing a YouTube video means I don't form my own opinions anymore. God forbid I agree with someone. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 If you're going to mindlessly follow the bandwagon I'm going to call you out on it. Plain and simple. I find it shocking that people still don't understand that DLC is planned out before games are finished. Like seriously? You don't think that a game developer in 2015 is going to keep supporting their game? What rock have these people been living under? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mister Jack Posted January 22, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Fifteen dollars for one monster? Locking another monster behind a pre-order? Yeah, no, that is completely indefensible, especially in a title that is based entirely around its multiplayer. Shit like that would be gauche even in a free to play game, but asking for 60 dollars on top of that is practically an insult. For fuck's sake, you literally get more value out of buying a fucking Skylander than you do paying 15 dollars for one monster. At least there you're getting a figurine out of the deal, even if it is a cheap piece of crap. It costs less, too. Fuck Evolve and fuck 2K. I hope this game crashes and burns like the whore it is. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 If you're going to mindlessly follow the bandwagon I'm going to call you out on it. Plain and simple. I find it shocking that people still don't understand that DLC is planned out before games are finished. Like seriously? You don't think that a game developer in 2015 is going to keep supporting their game? What rock have these people been living under? I know how DLC is planned better than most and I think this is shitty. If you are releasing a starter-pack and a lot of add-on content (which is how I interpret the marketing pitch from 2K) then I think you should price it as such. I think 2K will suffer because of this, especially now that the concept of waiting for a GOTY edition is standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) EDIT: Sick burn removed. YA HAPPY ETHAN?!?!?!?! Edited January 22, 2015 by The Cowboy Poet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Okay, you don't need to go attacking him either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) Oh but now I wanna know what the sick burn was! Anyway, Destructoid has a piece relevant to the current discussion. I absolutely get why people react the way they do towards pre-release DLC but in this case I'm starting to feel like the outrage is a little misplaced. The monsters are overpriced for sure but he claims that all DLC maps will be free. Combined with the fact that they're not splitting the community (if you don't buy the monster DLC you can't use it, but you can play against it), it all seems very reasonable to me. It looks like ignoring the DLC isn't really going to negatively impact your experience in any significant way. Edited January 23, 2015 by FLD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) Fifteen dollars for one monster? Locking another monster behind a pre-order? Yeah, no, that is completely indefensible, especially in a title that is based entirely around its multiplayer. Shit like that would be gauche even in a free to play game, but asking for 60 dollars on top of that is practically an insult. For fuck's sake, you literally get more value out of buying a fucking Skylander than you do paying 15 dollars for one monster. At least there you're getting a figurine out of the deal, even if it is a cheap piece of crap. It costs less, too. Fuck Evolve and fuck 2K. I hope this game crashes and burns like the whore it is. $60/3 monsters is $15. Expansion monster= $15. The pricing makes complete sense. To me this is like getting upset over a short game. You don't need to go on an internet tirade because you don't think a 6-hour experience is worth $60. Other people value the experience. I played Evolve and I can definitely see how this will be worth the money and I can see how you can get a lot of time out of it. The only people I know who pre-ordered did it at $60. They seem to think it's worth that but they'll wait on the DLC. People also seem to forget that DLC is completely fucking optional. This is also hilariously reminiscent of L4D2 but look how well that did in the end for an "expansion." But gamers love their double standards, don't learn from history, and will complain about anything without actually experiencing it or if it doesn't affect them at all. Edited January 23, 2015 by Faiblesse Des Sens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted January 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Fuck, the base game only nets you 3 monsters?! That's even worse than I'd heard it was. I figured the base game would at least include a bunch of maps, weapons, hunters etc as well as monsters to play as. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Fifteen dollars for one monster? Locking another monster behind a pre-order? Yeah, no, that is completely indefensible, especially in a title that is based entirely around its multiplayer. Shit like that would be gauche even in a free to play game, but asking for 60 dollars on top of that is practically an insult. For fuck's sake, you literally get more value out of buying a fucking Skylander than you do paying 15 dollars for one monster. At least there you're getting a figurine out of the deal, even if it is a cheap piece of crap. It costs less, too. Fuck Evolve and fuck 2K. I hope this game crashes and burns like the whore it is. $60/3 monsters is $15. Expansion monster= $15. The pricing makes complete sense. To me this is like getting upset over a short game. You don't need to go on an internet tirade because you don't think a 6-hour experience is worth $60. Other people value the experience. I played Evolve and I can definitely see how this will be worth the money and I can see how you can get a lot of time out of it. The only people I know who pre-ordered did it at $60. They seem to think it's worth that but they'll wait on the DLC. People also seem to forget that DLC is completely fucking optional. This is also hilariously reminiscent of L4D2 but look how well that did in the end for an "expansion." But gamers love their double standards, don't learn from history, and will complain about anything without actually experiencing it or if it doesn't affect them at all. $60 = 3 Monsters and 12 Hunters (let's be generous and say that the maps etc are free). And we'll say that a monster is equivalent to 4 hunters. So to work out how much a hunter costs... $60/(4M+H) = $2.5. Multiplied by 4 for monster adjustment is a maximum $10 value per monster. And that's the most generous calculation. If you do the more simple calculation of each character costing the same amount (just because monsters are bigger doesn't mean they should be more expensive and what about the hunter that has a pet???), then $60/(M+H) = $4. A four dollar value per monster (or hunter) is realistic. So yeah. I'll wait for the GOTY when I can get the game and all the DLC for £35, realise there is no online community any more, and skip it. I'm not saying you have to do that, I'm just telling you what I am going to do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomTervo Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) The only aspect of the whole situation which deflates the argument a little for me is that, if you broke Left 4 Dead down in a similar fashion, it doesn't seem worthwhile at all. Four characters? 4-5 'maps'? Two more as paid DLC? (On console at least). Evolve is a game which is designed similarly to Left 4 Dead - it's made to have smaller amounts of content which you will be able to play repeatedly, with a rich experience each time. I don't see one locked off monster as a big hindrance to that. I may still buy the game day one if the reviews are good enough. TL;DR: I think if the base game is good enough, who cares about the DLC bullshit. Just don't buy it. That sends the message that it's a bad practice more than anything else. Edited January 23, 2015 by kenshi_ryden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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IDDQD Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 Fifteen dollars for one monster? Locking another monster behind a pre-order? Yeah, no, that is completely indefensible, especially in a title that is based entirely around its multiplayer. Shit like that would be gauche even in a free to play game, but asking for 60 dollars on top of that is practically an insult. For fuck's sake, you literally get more value out of buying a fucking Skylander than you do paying 15 dollars for one monster. At least there you're getting a figurine out of the deal, even if it is a cheap piece of crap. It costs less, too. Fuck Evolve and fuck 2K. I hope this game crashes and burns like the whore it is. $60/3 monsters is $15. Expansion monster= $15. The pricing makes complete sense. To me this is like getting upset over a short game. You don't need to go on an internet tirade because you don't think a 6-hour experience is worth $60. Other people value the experience. I played Evolve and I can definitely see how this will be worth the money and I can see how you can get a lot of time out of it. The only people I know who pre-ordered did it at $60. They seem to think it's worth that but they'll wait on the DLC. People also seem to forget that DLC is completely fucking optional. This is also hilariously reminiscent of L4D2 but look how well that did in the end for an "expansion." But gamers love their double standards, don't learn from history, and will complain about anything without actually experiencing it or if it doesn't affect them at all. I'm surprised that you don't even consider the fact, that when it comes to DLC this game is farm-tastic. It's not about the fact that it simply has DLC. It's also not about the fact that other games are innocent - far from it. It's about the sickening abuse of the concept and Evolve is a prime example right now. 2K specialises in shit like that, but right now they just went too far. The game itself is probably good. I mean, I wanted to play it because I was genuinely excited about the concept and gameplay videos. However, if I have to pay double at launch, in order to enjoy it's full potential, then the publisher can kiss his ass and ask Houston for a permission to take off. The idea behind the whole downloadable content thing is that you get some extra stuff, usually at lower prices, but only some time after the game's release. Y'know, sort of like expansion packs back in the day. You never saw oldies, like Doom or Duke 3D, being sold on day one separately from their expansion packs. And that's because they were made after release and actual success of the original. Evolve, on the other hand, rather arrogantly assumes that it's going to be so good, that it deserves to be sold with a shit-ton of additional content right off the bat. And let's make one thing clear - they delibaretly cut out some bits, sell the butchered game for full price, while those cut-out bits are sold separately for some additional cash. Does that seem fair to you? Please, if you have to, you can say that the game is fine ('cause it probably is). But don't go out of your way to ragingly defend it and persuade people to buy it, because this is exactly the attitude, that prompts game publishers to abuse our wallets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 ^No one's forcing you to buy that additional content nor does the content split the community. You're upset that they were upfront about their plans instead of just hiding them like every other company does. Don't be so naive as to think that no one else plans this far out. In fact if you ever want the game to actually come out you're going to have to draw the line somewhere. Call that "deliberate" if you want but 1) none of the DLC is done and 2) the game would have taken another year to come out if they included it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDDQD Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 ^No one's forcing you to buy that additional content nor does the content split the community. That's probably the most generic defense for any DLC and it's completely missing the point I was trying to make. Besides, it's a moot point. I didn't play the game to say anything about it, but from what I saw kraken is pretty overpowered and you have to pay extra to get him. You're upset that they were upfront about their plans instead of just hiding them like every other company does. Don't be so naive as to think that no one else plans this far out. In fact if you ever want the game to actually come out you're going to have to draw the line somewhere. Call that "deliberate" if you want but 1) none of the DLC is done and 2) the game would have taken another year to come out if they included it. We're talking about game publishers, big corporations. Have you ever seen any company that doesn't plan ahead and stumbles dick-first into new ideas? The only difference is that most publishers only make plans, and plans can always be cancelled if the game doesn't sell well. There were a ton of games that had planned DLCs, but because sales were too low, publisher pulled the plug completely. And you're saying that most of those DLCs aren't even done yet? Then why should anyone pay upfront? Ironically, it makes the whole situation look even worse, because if the game actually fails, everything will go down the shitter. What then, do all people that threw their money at non-existing content get refunds? That's just dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 but from what I saw kraken is pretty overpowered and you have to pay extra to get him. What? The game comes with the only 3 monsters currently created out of the box. You're thinking of the Wraith, which you could use right away in the beta if you pre-ordered. It's included in the full game. We're talking about game publishers, big corporations. Have you ever seen any company that doesn't plan ahead and stumbles dick-first into new ideas? The only difference is that most publishers only make plans, and plans can always be cancelled if the game doesn't sell well. There were a ton of games that had planned DLCs, but because sales were too low, publisher pulled the plug completely. The same thing can happen here of course. Can't imagine they would continue to support a game that doesn't make them money. And you're saying that most of those DLCs aren't even done yet? None of them are. The only DLC available are skins. Which you're an idiot if you buy. Then why should anyone pay upfront? Pre-ordering just got you the 4th monster, that isn't out yet, for free. Besides that there isn't a reason besides saving a few bucks if you really really trust that this game will do well and you want all of the DLC. Ironically, it makes the whole situation look even worse, because if the game actually fails, everything will go down the shitter. What then, do all people that threw their money at non-existing content get refunds? That's just dumb. All the beyond $60 packages do is save you a few bucks. I don't know anyone that actually purchased them. They all got the base game. Why? Because the game might not survive. Like I said, no one's forcing anyone to buy that stuff and it doesn't split the community. If the game survives then you have the option of just paying the $5 more that you would have saved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDDQD Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 (edited) None of them are. The only DLC available are skins. Which you're an idiot if you buy.Case in point. You pay upfront for DLCs that don't exist. The same thing can happen here of course. Can't imagine they would continue to support a game that doesn't make them money.In what way is that relevant? Pre-ordering just got you the 4th monster, that isn't out yet, for free. Besides that there isn't a reason besides saving a few bucks if you really really trust that this game will do well and you want all of the DLC.Do you even read my posts before you drop another mind dump on your keyboard? I meant why should anyone pay upfront for DLCs, not pre-order the game. All the beyond $60 packages do is save you a few bucks. I don't know anyone that actually purchased them. They all got the base game. Why? Because the game might not survive. Like I said, no one's forcing anyone to buy that stuff and it doesn't split the community. If the game survives then you have the option of just paying the $5 more that you would have saved.Well, I don't know anyone who met the president. That doesn't mean such people don't exist. Edited February 28, 2015 by IDDQD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 Case in point. You pay upfront for DLCs that don't exist. See: Season Passes. In what way is that relevant? It's as relevant as what I'm responding to. Do you even read my posts before you drop another mind dump on your keyboard? I meant why should anyone pay upfront for DLCs, not pre-order the game. Pre-ordering gets you one of the DLCs for free. You have a rather harsh attitude for someone who is so misinformed. Well, I don't know anyone who met the president. That doesn't mean such people don't exist. In what way is that relevant? Your issue isn't with this game. It's with DLC in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDDQD Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) See: Season Passes.Which also blow ass if abused. There are good season passes and bad season passes. Evolve is in the latter camp. Your issue isn't with this game. It's with DLC in general.Thanks for the input, but I already wrote that in my first post of this discussion. Another example that you don't even bother to read anything carefully. Pre-ordering gets you one of the DLCs for free. You have a rather harsh attitude for someone who is so misinformed.And since this is going nowhere anyway, I'm done here. Auf wiedersehen. Edited March 1, 2015 by IDDQD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 What makes a good and a bad season pass? They clearly outlined the content of the DLC when it went up for pre-ordering. That's all that needs to be done. Be specific so people know what they're getting so they can make the decision to get it or not. Still not getting the internet tirade against this. People are actually upset about transparency after bitching about wanting more of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 I don't really give a shit one way or another about this game, but just to add another perspective: when a game has a bunch of piddly little DLCs, like individual characters and stuff, even if they're suitably cheap it still makes me feel like the devs are trying to rip me off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 I don't really give a shit one way or another about this game, but just to add another perspective: when a game has a bunch of piddly little DLCs, like individual characters and stuff, even if they're suitably cheap it still makes me feel like the devs are trying to rip me off. For this I just fall back on the main game. If you don't think that DLC and monsters are worth it keep in mind that the main game itself is only 12 hunters and 3 monsters. So your issue isn't the DLC. It's the pricing of the entire game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 But my point is that appearance is independent of whether they're priced appropriately; the fact that they have DLC like that at all makes me feel like they're trying to nickel and dime me, even if the actual value proposition is reasonable of you work it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) But my point is that appearance is independent of whether they're priced appropriately; the fact that they have DLC like that at all makes me feel like they're trying to nickel and dime me, even if the actual value proposition is reasonable of you work it out. So you don't think that content DLC should cost anything? They should just make their money off cosmetic DLC? What sort of DLC for a game like this is okay for it to be paid? They're already offering maps for free. Charging for new hunters and monsters makes sense as they basically are the game. Edited March 2, 2015 by Faiblesse Des Sens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 I didn't say it should be free, I said marketing or this way makes me feel like they're trying to nickel and dime me. I'm not a marketer, I don't know what would be good, I just know this feels bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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