Faiblesse Des Sens Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 I'm not even sure how this was marketed. All I saw was the information about the DLC and what it contained. It seems like misconceptions about the game itself caused people (who aren't interested in the game to begin with) to flip out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 I don't mean how it was advertised specifically, I mean the way in which it is divided up and sold. It feels gouge-y. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 I do want to add that I'm not all against this game or anything; the fact that they're making the maps free so as to not divide the community is pretty great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thursday Next Posted March 2, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 I think what Ethan is saying is that if instead of "Buy a monster for $15, buy a hunter for $X, buy some skins for $Y" is that if they did "Expansion Pack 1 for $25" and you got the new arena, a monster, a set of hunters and some skins, it would feel like you paid a chunk of money for a good amount of content. Rather than the (arguably better value) buying exactly what you want. It's essentially the expansion pack vs microtransaction argument. On which, I'm inclined to agree with him, I prefer to pay an amount for something that feels complete, rather than trying to hoover up all the content and assemble it myself. (Ethan can correct me if I'm wrong here.) 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 ^ Basically that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 (edited) http://www.vgchartz.com/game/78280/evolve/ Evolve is a flop. It was outsold even by Majora's Mask, a handheld exclusive game, and even if these figures are outdated, the developers still haven't announced their own sales numbers to anyone, preferring to use "matches played" statistics to impress people. On top of that, nobody's playing it on steam. That screen was taken right after release, by the way. The player count has only gone down since then, so I think it's safe to say this game is going to die an undignified death just like Titanfall did. Rest in piss, you DLC nightmare. Edited March 10, 2015 by Mister Jack 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 Ouch. A pity as I like new IP, but I think this is a case where the pitch just wasn't right. Would possibly have been more successful as an episodic sort of release at a lower price. Buy 1 monster and 4 hunters at a time for $20, release an ex pack every month or whatever. That way people would see different hunters and monsters and want to expand their collection. Rather than paying full price for a game then having a bunch of extra content waved at you. All in the delivery. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 If I lived in a fantasy world where I got to call the shots regarding how this game ended up, I would have done the following: - Make it free to play. If that's absolutely not possible then for crying out loud don't charge 60 dollars for it. Assuming my hypothetical version of Evolve has the same amount of content as the real one at launch, there is no excuse for that. If you're going to charge full price, you'd better be putting out a full game. - Weapon and character skins would be free. They wouldn't just be put out as free DLC, though. They'd be like the items in TF2, something you work toward either with challenges or in-game currency. That would give the playerbase a reason to keep at the game after the initial novelty has worn off. The more customization options, the better. If there must be a cash shop, make it a secondary way to get new skins, not the only option. Even this kinda rubs me the wrong way but it's an area where I'm willing to compromise. - Maps would still be free. This is the one thing they did right. - Monsters should cost 8 dollars maximum. That's the standard price for a DLC character in fighting games, and since they keep using that price I can only assume it works well enough for most people. Hunters can be bought a la carte for 5 dollars each or you can get a four-pack of all four new hunters for 15 dollars. I'm not totally married to those prices, but I think they'd be an improvement. Now would all this make the game successful? Perhaps not, but surely it sounds better than what they actually did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 ^Holy shit how would they even make any money off of that? You're basically giving away the entire game for free. If anything cosmetics are the one thing that should be monetized considering they're completely fucking unnecessary. Pretty sad that FUD can kill quality games so easily. People are upset about DLC that isn't even out yet and somehow extrapolated that to the entire game being shit. I will firmly stand by the belief that if your issue is the DLC, you actually haven't taken a close look at the content of the game, and it's 12 hunters and 3 monsters for $60 that should have been the complaint the whole time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 I truly wonder what consumer research underlies the business plans for games like Evolve and Titanfall. it seems incredibly risky to make a game not based on a currently-successful IP whose entertainment value directly correlates with the size and dedication of its user base and then charge $60 for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Well it's failed twice now so hopefully they'll stop doing it, or at least start having the decency to include a proper campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 It's also succeeded when the actual gameplay isn't all that great [see: Destiny], so I bet we haven't seen the end of this. Or am I mistaken and SP is viable in Destiny? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) I enjoyed SP in Destiny, but beyond that there's a lot of PvE stuff that you can do with a fireteam of 3 that wouldn't require big server populations to work. *Edit* - That said, it seems like Destiny is already losing steam too. *Edit 2* - They also didn't try to nickel and dime with a bunch of launch DLC like Evolve. Edited March 11, 2015 by TheMightyEthan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Surely you agree that there is no way in hell Destiny would have been as popular as it was if it didn't have Bungie's name behind it. Also, let's not forget that they FUCKING LIED about what would be in the game. Remember those story scenes that ended up never even being there? That aside, Destiny is a different kind of game from Titanfall and Evolve. The latter games are about multiplayer matches. Destiny is a wannabe-MMO. Not a very good one, mind you, but a person could theoretically play it by themselves if they wanted to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Also, let's not forget that they FUCKING LIED about what would be in the game. Remember those story scenes that ended up never even being there? Are you talking about Destiny? If so, can you elaborate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post TheFlyingGerbil Posted March 11, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 If so, can you elaborate? can you be less elaborate. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 Yeah, this has "Wait for the GOTY" written alllllll over it. Or in this case, wait for it to go F2P on PC. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 That's a cool thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDDQD Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 Well, that's a surprising turn of events, though I've seen the Jimquisition video explaining how's the transition going for long-time players and, well, sucks for them. I've tried out the game today. It's okay, I guess. I don't know since I don't have a lot of experience with multiplayer shooters, let alone asymmetrical ones. But this one kept me going and I think I'll stick around for a while, see how things will turn out when the beta is over. They'll probably pull up some paywalls later on, that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 I get that people who paid may feel put out, but they will still get more than the free to players and they did have exclusive access to the game for a long time. I think they got their money's worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDDQD Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 Sure. Also, better to start from scratch with a ton of new players around than to be maxed out in a barren wasteland of a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted July 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 I've downloaded the F2P version but yet to load it up yet given Witcher 3 n holidays. But hey it's free so I'm up for giving a whirl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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