The Nintendo Fusion

[TornadoCreator]

The internet, filled with morons as usual, has decided to hoax a new Nintendo system apparently coming in 2015... which is just stupid. It did however get me thinking, what if there was a new system and it was as follows.

 

The Nintendo Fusion, a home console with slightly improved hardware. More RAM etc. just to run things that little bit smoother. With a tablet controller, just like the Wii U; only this tablet controller supports stereoscopic 3D and the console can play both Wii U AND 3DS games... it would be an interesting console, with the entire Wii, Wii U, 3DS, and DS libraries to back it. As a thought experiment it's certainly interesting... Hell it doesn't even need to be a new console, a new GamePad for the Wii U with a 3DS port on it could do much the same thing.

 

Like I say, I don't believe for a second that there actually is a new system coming; but I thought it'd be fun to speculate on the possibilities.

[danielpholt]

Honestly I kind of want Nintendo to stop making me buy new hardware at this point. I'm sure Sony would love to become an official partner for some of their first party games, just pull the plug and release something on different hardware; they'd sell all the copies. 

[TornadoCreator]

Why the hell do people still push the shitty "Nintendo should go third party" rhetoric? They are literally the only company that shouldn't. PC, Playstation, and Xbox are practlically the same platforms. The exclusives have similar aims and targets, their art direction, business model, and target audience are all the same. Literally the only fucking platform that's even slightly different is Nintendo's platforms. Anyone who claims they should go third party is either a troll, a fool who's grasp of the industry is tenuous at best, a fanboy who delights in the idea of Nintendo failing because they've stupidly developed an emotional bond for one of it's competitors; or all three.

 

Seriously, look at Nintendo. They make/support platformers, puzzle games, adventure games, and heavily Japanese baised RPGs. Everyone else makes first/third person shooters, 3D brawlers, western action-RPGs, and open world sandbox games. Nintendo couldn't be more different from mainstream gaming if it tried. People who own Playstation/Xbox consoles don't want platformers or puzzle games, just as people who own Nintendo consoles don't want shooters and sandboxs... now there are some exceptions, like myself; who likes both so owns both, but the audience for these games are not the same. Just because Nintendo has a smaller target audience does not invalidate it's existence.

 

Can we all agree to stop perpetuating this sad Nintendo hate. It's been going on since the GameCube and it's pathetic. The Discovery Channel doesn't need to close and make programs for Sky One, their audiences are completely different, and the same is true for Nintendo. Simple point for those that don't own a Nintendo system, if the next 3D Mario game was on Playstation/Xbox, would you buy it at full retail on release? The answer is "no", isn't it? Of course it is, otherwise Ratchet & Clank would actually sell well. You don't want third party Nintendo, you just like the idea of it.

[Strangelove]

Well, since the Gamecube a lot of people would say that the only reason they bought a Nintendo console was for the exclusives. I know thats true for me and the Wii and Wii U. I just bought them for Mario and Metroid games. 

 

And since the Wii, all the good third party games have been on PS3/360/PC. So yeah, its just easier to move Nintendo games to another console than the other way around. Not to mention that since the Wii, Sony and MS have had the more powerful consoles. While Nintendo now has two dead gimmicks - the Wiimote and the gamepad. Underpowered consoles with forced gimmick controls arent what people want. Don't get me wrong, the Wii struck it big last gen, they sold a ridiculous amount of Wiis, but it was a fad. And I dont think itll ever happen again. Their online system is also a big joke. They easily have the worst account system. Not to mention their support for the Virtual Console is now basically nonexistent.

Even the 3DS isnt so hot anymore.

 

Nintendo basically does everything wrong except for their first party games.

 

And you can like the gamepad all you want, but people have voted with their money - it's unnecessary.

Hell, most companies that develop games for the Wii U agree. The support that thing has gotten is pathetic. Even Mario games dont use it in any meaningful way. ZombiU has basically been the only game that too real actual advantage of it, and that was a launch title.

[TCP]

Oh boy...

Nintendo is a terrible hardware developer and their hardware just can't compete with the Xbone, PS4, and PC? Besides the Wii their hardware sales have been on a steady decline each generation, moving to 3rd party would allow them to sell more games and not be limited to their weak and gimicky hardware.

There's no Nintendo hate here, just a lot of stern criticism to a company that clearly doesn't know what the fuck they're doing anymore.

Though I do own a Wii U I'd buy all of my Nintendo games on PS4 if they were released on PS4, who wouldn't? Your comparison to Ratchet and Clank is dumb because first of all, those games must sell somewhat decently because Insomniac is still releasing them but also the difference between a Ratchet game and a Mario game is pretty huge, both in terms of quality and popularity. 

[TornadoCreator]

While Nintendo now has two dead gimmicks - the Wiimote and the gamepad.

 

Dead by who's estimation? Yours? I'm using the Gamepad RIGHT NOW! It's a fantastic addition to the console. I use off TV play all the time, I use media features all the time too. It's a delight to use with YouTube or Netflix. In fact I prefer the Wii U to the iPad for tablet funtions. Why claim it's dead and then go on to rush to a middle-ground, "you can like it if you want" stance. It doesn't need support; off TV play alone is enough.

 

This is exactly what I mean though, YOU don't like it so it's a "dead" gimmick. It's literally the reason I got the Wii U. I wanted to see how tablet functions could add to gameplay, and Deus Ex: Human Revolution used it brilliantly. Here's hopin Watch_Dogs will too. There are other people who like to play things differently to you, and you do them a disservice calling their methods of gameplay gimmicks. What if I considered online play a gimmick, which I may as well. I don't want Wii U to have great online support; they do couch co-op and single player games, with good MiiVerse intergration, which adds a nice social media element to it all. I certainly don't want them focusing on online multiplayer... that would be horrible. You see not every company needs to be the same.

 

Anti-Nintendo rhetoric is sad and far too 'accepted norm' on the internet as a whole so it makes even normal people default to a "Nintendo is bad" opinion. Hell, this forums biggest Nintendo thread is titled 'Nintendo is Fucked' so don't claim it doesn't happen here. Why all the goddamn hate and hyperbole? Do people just get some perverse pleasure in the concept of Nintendo being bad? I can see the attraction to Sony/Microsoft consoles, my primary console is a PS3, but it's completely different to the experiences I expect from Nintendo. I would never expect to see a game like Captain Toad on PS3, and certainly not Xbox. Not unless it was a half-arsed PSN/XBLA game, On Wii U it gets a full retail release because puzzle games and platformers are embraced by Nintendo... that's the difference.

 

By all means criticise, but can we please stop the Nintendo doom-saying, it's pathetic and makes sensible discussion difficult at best. If you have reasons why Nintendo should be third party, or why they should drop the Gamepad, or why they should 'go mobile' or all the other shit I hear on the net nowadays; that's not based around attracting the Playstation/Xbox audience sure... but you don't, because Nintendo only count as one of the big three when it suits people. It's why there's loads on PS3 vs. 360 or PS4 vs. XBO discussions online... because Nintendo are a completely different market, and a completely different way of doing things.

[TheMightyEthan]

The Wii U is dead because it's only sold 6M units to date. Nintendo is rapidly burning through all that money the Wii printed for them. The reason people (myself included) want Nintendo to go third-party is because we know Nintendo makes great games, we just don't want to have to buy a console solely for them.

 

I own a Wii U for Nintendo first-party games, but I wish I didn't have to.

 

You may like the gamepad, and that's fine, I do too, but you can't argue that it's successful as a product for the for-profit Nintendo corporation.

[CorgiShinobi]

Just gonna throw this out there, as really I don't have much investment in the topic, but lets not fool ourselves into thinking any one console has vast global appeal and is successful everywhere.

 

i.e. The PS4 struggles in its own country of origin

 

Most everyone here knows my own say in the matter on Nintendo's entity in the industry, but if not: I fear a day where Microsoft and Sony are our only hardware manufacturers. Nintendo going the way of Sega is not ideal, and each time I see a Sega title on an app store, I cringe to think people want the same for Mario.

 

Is this really what we want?

 

[TheMightyEthan]

Meh, as long as we get the good, full-fledged retail games too I don't care.

 

I would buy every single Wii U game I own in a heartbeat if they re-released them on PS4/Xbone (all 4 of them).

[Strangelove]

You know, its not even about them becoming third party or that their console sucks or what the brand is worth, its about having to spend hundreds of dollars to play a handful of games.

I personally wouldn't care if they stopped releasing home consoles and focused on handhelds from here on out. Their handhelds have always had great third and first party support and popular in pretty much every region. This generation so far to me has seemed like the 3DS and the Wii U are dividing the same pool of games. Most of their exclusives on Wii U can run just fine on 3DS and vice versa. 

 

In all honesty, isnt the WIi U basically a big ass 3DS without the 3D anyways? Two screens and about the same amount of buttons. Even the graphical power is negligible enough to not really matter, especially to Nintendo fans.

 

Nintendo should just release a more powerful 3DS with an hdmi cable and theyre set. Same fucking thing. Fuck it.

[TornadoCreator]

The Wii U is dead because it's only sold 6M units to date. Nintendo is rapidly burning through all that money the Wii printed for them. The reason people (myself included) want Nintendo to go third-party is because we know Nintendo makes great games, we just don't want to have to buy a console solely for them.

 

I own a Wii U for Nintendo first-party games, but I wish I didn't have to.

 

You may like the gamepad, and that's fine, I do too, but you can't argue that it's successful as a product for the for-profit Nintendo corporation.

 

True, but none of the 8th gen consoles are successful, the industry is in mid collapse. For some reason gaming press has pushed this gen as a success but it's clearly not. The Xbox One and Wii U struggling about even with about 60,000 global weekly sales each and it's dropping. The Vita is struggling to get more than 45,000 which even the PS3 is besting with over 50,000 (yes, almost as much as the XBO & Wii U). PS4 & 3DS are getting around 90,000 and 120,000 respectively... and they're dropping too, and they're the "successes".

 

These sales are pathetic all round. Now some say it's the summer drought causng this but compared to last gen it's depressingly bad. Look at the sales figures for the first week on July in 2008 for comparison, Xbox 360 sold 104,000... and it was having a bad year because of the RROD, so sales where down. PS3 sold 145,000, PSP sold 230,000, Wii sold 347,000, and DS sold the incredible 487,000 units... in one fucking week in summer, (and no there wasn't a massive release like a new Pokémon game that week either). Sales for 2009 and 2010 are pretty similar, with more than 150,000 weekly sales for every single platform being STANDARD! and more than 200,000 not being uncommon when a popular release hit.

 

There's all these sites claiming the PS4 is one of the best selling systems ever but it's just not true. At this rate the sales of PS3 and 360 are staying strong enough that this entire generation may be aborted yet. This could be a repeat of the Atari 5200; so badly recieved that it was discontinued BEFORE the Atari 2600. Games are still being released multi-gen and without a massive sales boost none of the new systems will succeed, except the 3DS which has actually reached sustainable levels. Remember games are so expensive that the newest Tomb Raider reboot needed 6 million sales to break even. That means AAA games with a similar budget cannot be financially viable on Xbox One at all, and would require more than 80% of the PS4's install base to purchase on release just to break even... that's completely unsustainable. Nintendo may be struggling but at least their games, with their far lower budgets only need around 1-2 million sales to make a profit.

 

Now sure, this could all change if the consoles do well this holiday season, but if by January 2015, the consoles haven't shifted at least 12 milkion units (each), they're pretty much all doomed. This entire industry is in a tailspin. THQ, Atari, Capcom all going bankrupt or into liquidation... who next? Square Enix, Konami and Sony are all in financial trouble. Nintendo, Activision and even EA are all reporting losses. I get angry with all the "Nintendo Is Doomed" crap, not because it's untrue but because EVERYONE is doomed so why are people picking on Nintendo; the only one reforming it's practices by making games with lower budgets using existing assets (Captain Toad, Hyrule Warriors), and buying up struggling IPs that can be made exclusives at relatively small cost (Bayonetta, Devil's Third). Hell even spreading assets across platforms (Smash Bros.), and the Amiibo thing is all about low cost sustainable income...

 

If anyone will be out it'll be Xbox. Sure Microsoft is minted, but they're hardly going to poor all that into the Xbox division. Nintendo and Sony need to win to survive... Microsoft just wants to.

Edited July 12, 2014 by TornadoCreator

[TheMightyEthan]

@SL:  I would agree with you, except I don't care for mobile gaming.

 

@TC:  Do you have sources for any of that?  You can't say "a bunch of news sources are reporting X, but it's just not true" without information to back it up.

[TheFlyingGerbil]

I've just written a rambly post that has been open for a few hours, so there are several new posts, but damned if I'm not going to post it now. As a concession I've condensed it down to one paragraph:

 

I don;t think Nintendo is doomed (I agree with the last post about all consoles currently struggling to adapt to the new landscape and Nintendo isn't doing any worse than the others). But what does everything I have just written have in common. "This is the console with motion controls!", "This is the console with 3D!", "Look it's got a tablet that isnt a tablet!". These are attention grabbing differentiators from the competition - practically the dictionary definition of a gimmick. Motion control worked for advertisers but not for gamers, 3DS sold inspite, not because of 3D, and the gamepad is good, but the it doesn't add anything unique enough to justify the extra cost.

 

 

You can read the rest if you want to:

 

You will not find a bigger Nintendo fan on these boards than me and I personally love all the Nintendo innovations, and I hope they keep on with them - as some of them stick and are industry changers. We all know the aspects that were popularised if not invented by Nintendo and Nintendo are the biggest reason controllers are the way they are now. BUT, not all their ideas stick and whether or not they are good, they do not catch the imagination of the developers or the public for whatever reason and they are considered as gimmicks. The most often cited would be 3D, gamepad (also second screen on 3DS) and motion controls.

 

Motion control can be put to good use, and definitely adds to some gaming experiences. The thing I liked best was the pointer for ersatz mouse funtionality. However, for the handful of games it improved (or made possible such as Wii Sports) it more often than not it was poorly implemented, inaccurate, distracted from gameplay or simply ignored completely. The simple fact here is they dropped it as the main control method for the Wii U so Nintendo themselves tacitly admit this was not a success.

 

I love 3D and have it on on the 3DS whenever I can. But I cannot hand on heart say it improves or changes gameplay. In fact, I think we can all agree 3D has pretty much died the death. While you couldn't move for 3D TVs a couple of years ago, now it is often being left out in favour of smart functionality in the mid range. I'm looking at new TVs at the moment and it's really narrowing my choices, and I don't even know why I'm limiting myself because what would I put on it? Both the the PS3 and 360 were capable of 3D the games supporting it were few and far between, and no one exactly trumpeted it from the roof tops. I don't even know if PS4 and XOne support it, and even if they do, do the games? I can't imagine they do when they are already mired in resolution-gate, 3D would almost  certainly be dropped to make room for more pixels on screen. Again, Nintendo quietly admitting defeat here - While it started as the main selling feature of the 3DS console, it is no longer advertised as a feature and indeed the 2DS removes it completely and to this end, many games adverts actually say you can play it without the 3D on, so it is not the feature that you can turn it off! And let's not forget the ungodly price the the 3DS started out at because of the cost of the 3D screen. It didn't start selling until they slashed the price (making it the first console they sold at a loss for a short while)

 

Now to the more controversial second screens. Most people like the funtionality they add - it's nice to have the menus and maps moved off the main screen and touching menus is a lot easier than scrolling them. We all love off-screen play and I frequently hear people here mention their use of it. But even if the people who have the gamepad enjoy its features, it is not causing the public at large to rush out and buy the Wii U. In fact, it may well have had the reverse effect. The gamepad confused people who thought it was a Wii accessory they didn't need and those who knew it was a new console baulked at the price because it meant the console itself was current gen powered but next gen priced. This was directly caused by the addition of the gamepad. Without it, Nintendo could have released the Wii U console alone, at a similar launch price to the Wii U (and profitably) with the simple message "play the nintendo games you love in HD" We can never know, but this seems like an easy sell. Instead they had a confused public wondering why they should spend nearly double the price (even though it cost Nintendo a loss on the hardware).

[TheMightyEthan]

Before I respond I'm going to admit that I only read the tl;dr version and not the whole post.  So, that out of the way:

 

What do you mean Nintendo's not doing any worse?  I'll give you that the 3DS is doing fine, but it took Sony and MS less than 6 months to surpass lifetime Wii U sales when Nintendo had a year head start on them.

[TornadoCreator]

@TC:  Do you have sources for any of that?  You can't say "a bunch of news sources are reporting X, but it's just not true" without information to back it up.

 

Some of the articles don't exist any more, like the Yahoo ones, but you know people where saying "PS4 is fastest selling console ever", blah blah...

 

Here's two examples I found in a cursory google search in under 30 seconds -

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/12/12/playstation-4-had-largest-console-launch-in-history

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-12-02-ps4-fastest-selling-console-in-uk-history

 

Both purposely manipulate figures to make the PS4 look far more successful than it actually is.

 

PS: Asking people to provide sources for statistics, claims and facts you can easily confirm yourself via google is a massive sign of denial. Are you honestly claiming you didn't see every gaming news site proclaim the PS4 was going to beat PS2 sales figures and be the next messiah of gaming?

[TheMightyEthan]

No, I wasn't claiming I didn't see those articles, I did, what I was asking for was something to back up your claim that they were all wrong.  I did try to google actual figures and couldn't find much, which is why I was asking for you to provide your sources.

[TCP]

Clearly all those facts are fabricated by the right wing media to sell more PS4s because ...Obama.

[TheMightyEthan]

Thanks Obama!

[TornadoCreator]

Before I respond I'm going to admit that I only read the tl;dr version and not the whole post.  So, that out of the way:

 

What do you mean Nintendo's not doing any worse?  I'll give you that the 3DS is doing fine, but it took Sony and MS less than 6 months to surpass lifetime Wii U sales when Nintendo had a year head start on them.

 

It took PS2 one weekend to surpass the Dreamcasts lifetime sales... sixth months is hardly a death knell... similarly, the PS3 was considered dead in the water and had similar sales figures to the Wii U in its first year; now it's arguably the most successful console of the last generation.

 

We can never really tell what will happen, but currently, like I said in my long post earlier; everything except the 3DS is struggling at the moment and even that's only managing 'adequate' sales. I'd say this entire generation is still up for grabs. Hell if Microsoft bought out Capcom (and they really actually could do this), and announced exclusive games for 2015/16; like new games in the Resident Evil, Devil May Cry, Monster Hunter, Mega Man, Onimusha, Breath Of Fire or Street Fighter franchises, or even sequels to Okami or Remember Me... even if only half of these IP where used I'd expect Xbox One to pretty much hurtle into first place.

[TornadoCreator]

No, I wasn't claiming I didn't see those articles, I did, what I was asking for was something to back up your claim that they were all wrong.  I did try to google actual figures and couldn't find much, which is why I was asking for you to provide your sources.

 

You can get pretty accurate sales figures for consoles from VGChartz. Their PC figures are terribly innacurate but for consoles they're good. There are more detailed and reliable sources, but VGC is the most convenient in a pinch. Sorry, I assumed everyone was familiar with that site; my mistake.

[TheMightyEthan]

 

Before I respond I'm going to admit that I only read the tl;dr version and not the whole post.  So, that out of the way:

 

What do you mean Nintendo's not doing any worse?  I'll give you that the 3DS is doing fine, but it took Sony and MS less than 6 months to surpass lifetime Wii U sales when Nintendo had a year head start on them.

 

It took PS2 one weekend to surpass the Dreamcasts lifetime sales... sixth months is hardly a death knell... similarly, the PS3 was considered dead in the water and had similar sales figures to the Wii U in its first year; now it's arguably the most successful console of the last generation.

 

Fair point, but he said that Nintendo wasn't doing any worse than the others, when it is.

[TornadoCreator]

I'm not sure it is actually...

 

Sure the Wii U should have sold far better with a years head start; but right now it's matching the Xbox One for weekly sales and has a larger install base. It has more exposure on it's exclusives, and with Titanfall being far less significant than Microsoft had hoped; there's far more reason to expect Wii U to be second place this year. Combine that with third party delays being commonplace; and few multi-plat releases over this year for the two "next gen" systems and it's hard to claim the Wii U is in any way the distant third the internet makes it out to be... if PS4 slumps any further, this could easily be a three horse race.

Edited July 13, 2014 by TornadoCreator

[TheFlyingGerbil]

I was conscious I'd been rambling so I guess I over simplified my summary. I meant the following points:

 

 

 

Yes Nintendo is selling less consoles so I know it's doing worse what I meant was it's too soon in to this generation for any console to be declared dead or a success. This is entirely anecdotal but I don't feel people are rushing in to this generation with the same fervour they were last time as I don't think the upgrade seems as significant. So yes Nintendo have sold less but I think if all companies underperformed Nintendo would be last to abandon hardware.

 

I think I've said it before but and I'm not saying it's going to happen, that it should nor that they're at a place where it's a good idea but I think MS would be the first manufacturer to jump ship if things were not going to plan. It seems much more like a department of a large company that is kept at arms length ready to be sold off at a moments notice. I think you can see this attitude in their game software side too. Sony gives the impression that PlayStation is much more integrated into their business and I can more easily imagine if they stopped making hardware for whatever reason they would keep any profitable aspect of games development and publishing on other's hardware while there's no way ms would.

 

 

What I hope Nintendo does in the future is keep it's hardware away from cutting edge and not add gimmicks (as defined in the long bit of my last post,sorry!) that drive the cost up. That way it can be an easy sell to families and easier to persuade people who buy ms and Sony consoles/pc for the big games to have it as a second gaming platform for the unique experience Nintendo provides.

[TornadoCreator]

I agree Gerbil, I said much the same thing in a previous post quoted below:

 

...none of the 8th gen consoles are successful, the industry is in mid collapse. For some reason gaming press has pushed this gen as a success but it's clearly not. The Xbox One and Wii U struggling about even with about 60,000 global weekly sales each and it's dropping. The Vita is struggling to get more than 45,000 which even the PS3 is besting with over 50,000 (yes, almost as much as the XBO & Wii U). PS4 & 3DS are getting around 90,000 and 120,000 respectively... and they're dropping too, and they're the "successes".

 

These sales are pathetic all round. Now some say it's the summer drought causng this but compared to last gen it's depressingly bad. Look at the sales figures for the first week on July in 2008 for comparison, Xbox 360 sold 104,000... and it was having a bad year because of the RROD, so sales where down. PS3 sold 145,000, PSP sold 230,000, Wii sold 347,000, and DS sold the incredible 487,000 units... in one fucking week in summer, (and no there wasn't a massive release like a new Pokémon game that week either). Sales for 2009 and 2010 are pretty similar, with more than 150,000 weekly sales for every single platform being STANDARD! and more than 200,000 not being uncommon when a popular release hit.

 

There's all these sites claiming the PS4 is one of the best selling systems ever but it's just not true. At this rate the sales of PS3 and 360 are staying strong enough that this entire generation may be aborted yet. This could be a repeat of the Atari 5200; so badly recieved that it was discontinued BEFORE the Atari 2600. Games are still being released multi-gen and without a massive sales boost none of the new systems will succeed, except the 3DS which has actually reached sustainable levels. Remember games are so expensive that the newest Tomb Raider reboot needed 6 million sales to break even. That means AAA games with a similar budget cannot be financially viable on Xbox One at all, and would require more than 80% of the PS4's install base to purchase on release just to break even... that's completely unsustainable. Nintendo may be struggling but at least their games, with their far lower budgets only need around 1-2 million sales to make a profit.

 

Now sure, this could all change if the consoles do well this holiday season, but if by January 2015, the consoles haven't shifted at least 12 milkion units (each), they're pretty much all doomed. This entire industry is in a tailspin. THQ, Atari, Capcom all going bankrupt or into liquidation... who next? Square Enix, Konami and Sony are all in financial trouble. Nintendo, Activision and even EA are all reporting losses. I get angry with all the "Nintendo Is Doomed" crap, not because it's untrue but because EVERYONE is doomed so why are people picking on Nintendo; the only one reforming it's practices by making games with lower budgets using existing assets (Captain Toad, Hyrule Warriors), and buying up struggling IPs that can be made exclusives at relatively small cost (Bayonetta, Devil's Third). Hell even spreading assets across platforms (Smash Bros.), and the Amiibo thing is all about low cost sustainable income...

 

If anyone will be out it'll be Xbox. Sure Microsoft is minted, but they're hardly going to poor all that into the Xbox division. Nintendo and Sony need to win to survive... Microsoft just wants to.

 

When it comes down to it, by January we'll have a solid picture of how the industry is doing; but honestly this industry is arrogant. It thinks it's recession-proof, and "too big to fail", yet the industry at large doesn't seem to see how quckly and across-the-board this industry collapse is happening.

Edited July 13, 2014 by TornadoCreator

[Vecha]

@TC

Don't feel like quoting your novel


It wouldn't surprise me that much if the Xbone doesn't reach 10mil(I mean it might, but it has more ground to cover) but the ps4 just needs to sell 1.6 million consoles.

I'm pretty sure it can.


I honestly have no idea why you are comparing the ps4/xbo sales figures to JULY of 2008!? The 360 release in late 05. Why not compare the 06 numbers? That would make a bit more sense me thinks. 

I tried to look up numbers or find fancy graphs, but I stopped after a couple of minutes...because I really, really need to take a bath.

Feel free to do a comparison on 06 and go, "VECHA! gaming is OVAAAA!"

(Edited to add: is it because 05/06 wasn't global?)




Found this though
http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/02/18/ps4-is-selling-so-much-faster-than-ps3-ps2-and-ps1-that-its-not-even-a-competition/
Could be fudged numbers I don't know. 
 

Honestly, I think the worse that could happen is the industry shrinking a tad bit. We do see sony's push for Indie/smaller games. Gaming has been delayed to 2015(kidding).

And what's wrong with seeing a few more multiplats till 2015? 


But what I really think? Sony will get 1.6 million or MORE by xmas. 

People go bat shit insane on Black Friday and the weeks leading to xmas.


And if all else fails....at least I have FF XIV: A Realm Reborn.



 

Edited July 13, 2014 by Vecha